Saturday, January 25, 2025

MQ-8 Fire Scout Status

Remember when the Navy was claiming that the unmanned helicopter, the MQ-8 Fire Scout, was going to revolutionize naval warfare, providing area wide surveillance, total situational awareness, target detection and tracking, fire control for remote weapons, anti-surface capability, mine countermeasures, and … well … total battlefield dominance?  Let’s check in and see how that’s coming along.
 
The Future of Naval Warfare ... bye, bye


For starters, the Navy has all but abandoned the Fire Scout.
 
The current inventory is 36 aircraft with no additional procurement planned.[1]
 
President’s Budget 2023 included a significant divestment within the MQ-8 program, resulting in the removal of all MQ-8B AVs [ed. AV = Air Vehicle] from inventory and reduction of the MQ-8C AV active operational inventory. Currently there are 11 aircraft dedicated to operational employment with 3 allocated to test and training, an increase of 1 from last year’s Annual Report. Projections for FY24 will increase the operational employment number to 15. The remainder are in a preservation status and are planned to be used for maintenance parts as necessary to support the pool of operational aircraft.[1]

Budget documents from 2024 indicate that the Fire Scout is being phased out completely.
 
Operational employment of the MQ-8C will end in Q4 FY2024 and sundown will be completed by Q4 FY2026.[2]

Instead of having hundreds of Fire Scouts roaming the battlefield and dominating our enemies, as promised, the Navy is down to around a dozen, which are being phased out, and appears to have lost interest in the platform.
 
With the near abandonment of the Fire Scout as context, there are, nominally, three variations (increments, as the Navy terms it) of Fire Scout in the works:
 
  • Endurance Baseline Increment – imaging EO/IR sensor and laser range finder and designator
  • SUW Increment – maritime search radar
  • Mine Countermeasure Increment – COBRA near shore mine detection
 
How is testing coming along?  DOT&E states,
 
The Navy has yet to complete land-based testing necessary to characterize radar performance against maritime targets.[1]


Conclusion
 
It seems that the Navy has all but abandoned the Fire Scout, presumably having realized that it has no effective use case in combat.  Of course, ComNavOps has been saying this since the first MQ-8 appeared.  Nice of the Navy to finally catch up.
 
Like the LCS, Zumwalt, and others, the Fire Scout platform has gone from being the future of naval warfare to an afterthought in a remarkably short period of time.
 
 
 
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[1]Director, Operational Test and Evaluation, FY2023 Annual Report, Jan 2024,
 
[2]Flight Global website, “US Navy’s MQ-8C Fire Scouts fly into retirement just two years after entering operational service”, Jan Tegler, 29-May-2024,
https://www.flightglobal.com/helicopters/us-navys-mq-8c-fire-scouts-fly-into-retirement-just-two-years-after-entering-operational-service/158500.article

9 comments:

  1. No matter US or China, if a weapon is good, it will procure and deploy in large number. If it is not, then, orders will below first estimation. The only difference is Congress can slow down this in US (China's generally rubber stamp military's decisions). We have seen this on DDG-1000. F-35 is also an example as Pentagon cuts down procurements while China speeds up J-20 productions (apparently, PLA is happy with J-20). MQ-8 is another example.

    Today's proliferation of precision weapons makes finding and locating enemy targets ultra important. Next is to prevent your precision weapons' sensors interfered. To have drones able to find and locate enemy targets in distance is a good idea. Whether defence industry can make it a reality heavily depend on a nation's industry strength.

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    1. "Whether defence industry can make it a reality heavily depend on a nation's industry strength."

      No, it depends on having a good Concept of Operations (CONOPS) and then designing equipment to fit that CONOPS. Industry will build whatever they're told to build.

      "Today's proliferation of precision weapons makes finding and locating enemy targets ultra important. "

      This is far too simplistic to be a worthwhile comment. Do you have something substantive to offer?

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    2. AGM-158. You need to find and keep tracking exact location of enemy ship to hit it. Yes, AGM-158 has a self-seeking mode to hit a target with strongest radar signal but this can be easily disturbed by nations like China and Russia.

      China's DF-21 and DF-26 also heavily depend on precise tracking and locating target ship. Satellites simply cannot provide exact locations thus need WZ-8 to provide initial target information. DF-26's radars have very limited ranges.

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  2. Consider this a victory for the EMCOM-Navy.
    A Jet Ranger with painted windows and a Futaba kit
    is no replacement for a SH-60.

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  3. So almost $1.5 billion was spent of this stuff for what? I know for USN it's just business as usual but make a few mistake programs like this and it adds up to real money!!! With some other useless garbage programs trashed or never even started, we could have gotten at least another DDG that has some combat value or another SSN!

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  4. So, are the FireScouts actively being used? Attached to deployed ships? What are those 11-15 doing?

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    1. I've come across few, if any, references to embarked Fire Scouts.

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  5. Was anyone fired as a result?

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    1. No, but promotions were handed out all around!

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