An Anonymous reader (please, everyone, add a username to the
end of your comments; there are too many
anonymous commenters to keep straight who’s who and to give proper credit for
good comments, such as this; no, it’s
not a requirement, just a plea!) posed
the following question in a comment:
The ability to fully engage using only passive sensors would
be a significant advantage as it would eliminate the enemy’s ability to detect
and target our radars – no more ‘free’ guidance for the enemy and no more
concern about anti-radiation (ARM-type) missiles! The enemy would have to earn his targeting
and if he uses active radar, as most current missiles do, that would give us
the ‘free’ detection and engagement.
Returning to the main topic … will/can aircraft fight
primarily with passive sensors and, if so, what would that look like? How would it differ from what we do now? What new tactics would we need?
As you know, passive aerial sensors are nothing new. WWII aircraft fought using optical sensors
(Mk1 eyeball) almost exclusively. In
more modern times, the F-14 Tomcat had truly impressive EO/IR capabilities
(see, “Tomcat Eyes”) although the Navy then
promptly abandoned those capabilities with the advent of the F-18 Hornet and
only now, weakly, is claiming to have developed a never before seen Infrared
Search and Track (IRST) capability that the rest of the world has had for
decades.
Before we can go any further in describing a passive-only
aerial battle, it is necessary to recognize some characteristics of passive aircraft
systems and operations.
Field of View – This is the soda straw issue. Aircraft are limited to small sensors and,
therefore, have limited fields of view as compared to radar. Some aircraft, like the F-35, have attempted
to address this with total spherical coverage but with only limited success. As far as I know, the F-35 remains incapable
of using its ‘see through’ sensors effectively in a combat scenario. Of course, the AF sends me surprisingly
little classified combat information on the F-35. I have to get most of my detailed, classified
information off video gamer’s websites!
(Couldn’t resist that one! LOL)
The salient point, here, is that an aircraft using passive
sensors is not capable of ‘sweeping’ the sky like radar. The aircraft can see a fairly limited section
of sky at any given moment. This greatly
increases the likelihood that detection and encounters will occur at much close
ranges than we anticipate and that impacts doctrine and tactics. The F-35, for example, was never intended to
be an up-close dogfighter but was, instead, intended to stand off and be an
aerial sniper. With limited sensing,
this is likely to mean the F-35 will find itself engaged in visual range
dogfights, all too often.
Stealth – Stealth is completely negated by passive
optical sensors and significantly negated by infrared (IR) sensors. Thus, in a pure passive environment, stealth
aircraft will possess no advantage over non-stealth aircraft as regards
detection, tracking, and targeting.
Concealment – With radar, the traditional tactics of
hiding in the clouds, flying low, etc. are largely useless. Radar is relatively unaffected by weather,
clouds, or terrain (look-down radar is pretty much the standard, today). However, with passive sensors many of those
tactics are once again effective. Optical
sensors are significantly degraded by clouds, IR sensors are somewhat affected
by clouds depending on density and moisture content, optical and IR sensors are
affected by terrain, and so on.
What this is suggesting is that passive-only aerial combat
is likely to be much closer range affair than current doctrine and tactics envision.
AEW Control – Aerial combat is generally controlled
by ground and/or airborne radar systems and controllers. This can still take place, however, AEW
active control has become a major risk, with active emitting AEW aircraft being
susceptible to very long range A2A missiles (see, “GoodbyePoseidon and Hawkeye”); I’ve
proposed passive AEW (see, “Passive Hawkeye”)
but that has not yet been implemented.
The US Navy and Air Force rely heavily on AEW for detection
and battle management and that will be significantly impacted if not nearly
eliminated. In fact, one could envision
aerial combat devolving into back and forth attempts by both sides to
alternately attack and defend their high value AEW and EW aircraft. Whichever side can establish AEW control of
the battle will have a significant advantage.
BVR (Beyond Visual Range) – BVR combat, the ideal of
the US military and exactly what the F-35 was designed to do, becomes a
difficult, if not impossible scenario in passive-only aerial combat. Radar is the sensor of choice to implement
BVR combat and passive sensors simply can’t provide reliable 50-100+ mile detection
and targeting against fighter size aircraft – large bombers or support
aircraft, yes … fighters, no.
Scenarios
With the above discussion in mind, one can envision various
aerial combat scenarios:
1. Low altitude combat with aircraft trying to get lost in
the visual and IR ‘clutter’ of the ground.
2. High altitude combat with aircraft making use of the
clouds as cover to hide from optical sensors although IR sensors would mitigate
some of that advantage.
3. Fighter sweeps wherein one accepts the lack of long range
sensing and compensates with sheer numbers of aircraft.
4. Aircraft might not even carry long range missiles such as
AMRAAM, preferring to carry a larger number of shorter range heat seeking
missiles.
Caution
What’s disturbing about all this is that the US military
does not appear to have given this even a moment’s thought. We believe that aerial supremacy is our
birthright and AWACS/AEW control of the skies is an article of faith. What will we do when China starts routinely
shooting down our AWACS/AEW and we lose control of the aerial battle? Are we training for it?
What will happen when the Chinese conduct fighter sweeps against
us and achieve aerial superiority? Are
we developing alternate doctrine and tactics?
The enemy gets a vote and we may not like their vote.
Conclusion
The future aerial battle will be a battle for control of the
long range sensing capability. With long
range sensing comes the prize of control of the battle by airborne combat
controllers. The side that can establish
and maintain long range sensing and, thus, control of the aerial battle will,
most likely, win that battle.
Both sides will attempt to remain silent by using passive
sensors and this will result in close range encounters likely involving the
scenarios described above. The close
ranges will shift the emphasis from long range, radar guided missiles to short
range, heat seeking missiles. Aerial
combat will return to optically-based (EO or eyeball), close range dogfights.
The exception to this will be the specialized hunter-killer (H-K)
aircraft that will be tasked with finding and destroying the other side’s AEW
aircraft. The H-K aircraft will be armed
with the longest range, fastest, air-to-air missiles the enemy has.
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“Will losses of high end radiating sensors or reluctance to use them bring us back to aircraft that fight primarily with passive E/O [electro-optical] sensors?”[1]As the anonymous commenter noted, ComNavOps has often stated that ships in combat will not radiate (EMCON) until an attack is actually incoming. To do otherwise betrays one’s own location and invites destruction. We have passive electro-optical and infrared (EO/IR) sensors but we need to fully develop them into a complete, hemispherical sensor system (with extensive redundancy, of course!) that is fully integrated into the ship’s combat software system. In other words, we need to be able to scan, detect, identify, track, and establish firing solutions/fire control using purely passive sensors just as we now do with radar [question: how will we provide guidance for missiles requiring illumination?].
https://navy-matters.blogspot.com/2023/03/more-incorrect-ukraine-lessons.html?showComment=1679836994339#c418576362046182892
Per the comment issue, I may be logged into Google, but I have to chose my google name BEFORE I start typing a comment, I can't do it later as many discover. What I usually do in those cases is to highlight and copy my comment, refresh, log on, then paste and post.
ReplyDeleteAs far as I'm concerned, it's just as fine to comment anonymously and just include a username at the end. Your choice!
DeleteI never understood the logic of spending lots of money and reducing performance for stealth, for aircraft that rely on radar for targeting that squawks its location.
ReplyDeleteA possible idea for the field of view problem might be a sensor analog of a compound eye (like insects). The eye has poor image resolution but covers a wide field of view and is very sensitive to rapid motion. The purpose would be to give a first warning and possibly used to coach high resolution sensors where to look.
ReplyDelete"very sensitive to rapid motion."
DeleteIf I understand where you're going with this, there's a potential problem. While an incoming missile or aircraft is very fast on an absolute basis (hundreds of miles per hour), it is very slow when viewed from a distance (long range detection) and may, in fact, appear stationary if coming straight at you. If you're depending on rapid motion to detect it or to cue other sensors to it, you'd likely miss it. What do you think? Of did I misunderstand what you were suggesting?
A problem indeed CNO. Head on is a problem [assuming the missile/aircraft is not blatting on radar], Head on, the hostile would not move. But the target aircraft is not stationary. The first indication might be a don't see/see something. A turn to right or left would sweep the image across the across the sensor "eyes" creating a relative "rapid motion" to pick up a threat.
Delete"A turn to right or left would sweep the image across the across the sensor "eyes" creating a relative "rapid motion" to pick up a threat."
DeleteWouldn't that make EVERYTHING in the field of view appear to move quickly and, therefore, be designated a target?
ComNavOps, I am only trying to visualize possible passive optical detection methods. Hopefully (a prayerful word) the sensor array has already classified most background objects as not hostile and would only inform of something new moving in the field of view, hostile or not. Another would be UV sensors looking at the sky background UV (in daylight). Would a missile or jet exhaust alter it enough to be detectable I don't know (thank you for your patience).
DeleteHey, I have no problem with creative thinking! Keep doing it!
Delete(ComNavOps, you may regret it). There was one summer night n my farm in western MN looking at the stars dark adapted with no artificial light. Then there was something moving roughly ENE to SW. I could not see it, but it was occulting the stars. No navigation lights, but a faint sound of jet engines. I guess Mil. Whatever you were, you were not quite invisible.
DeleteAlien abduction? :)
DeleteHey CNO, speaking of possible alien encounters, would you believe that there are currently serious proposals regarding the investigation of "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" (UAP) in the vicinity of USN ships? Whatever those UAP things are, some have come very close to colliding with USN fighter jets, and some have even approached USN ships with no discernible intent, all the while displaying motion and behaviours incompatible with our current understanding of physics.
DeleteIf you want, I could link you to an informative introductory video on the subject. USN-related, of course.
"CNO:I have to get most of my detailed, classified information off video gamer’s websites!"
ReplyDeleteThe old SPI game "Airwar", was a popular purchase by various embassies. A couple of the game developers ended up working at defence think tanks after SPI imploded.
AIrwar used open sources?, to provide quite detailed info
on late cold war air combat, including weapon performance.
A related implication is that drone scouts can have a relative advantage with passive sensors because of the sensors' low power consumption. A small drone with a camera can see as far as an F-18 with a camera. But the small drone can only carry a tiny radar.
ReplyDeleteOf course we can't have drones that have a constant data link. But image recognition is something we've gotten good at in software, especially when it just needs to notice a flying object. Setting a predetermined flight path is also straightforward. Then the only communication is a burst when it notices something interesting.
Scout drones could add a lot of eyes to supplement the other platforms.
I thought the F35 was designed to have total situational awareness in combat as per Lockheed and DOD. Based on the sensors and equipment in the aircraft it would seem so if not then the F35 would suffer major losses in combat.
ReplyDeleteThat's the claim. I've seen no report that it works or that it is useful in combat. Last I heard, they were still struggling with the magic helmet that was supposed to integrate and display the sensors but was plagued with latency issues.
DeleteDo I need to list all the projects that have had near-miraculous claims that have not panned out?
"question: how will we provide guidance for missiles requiring illumination?" Surely the US has developed drones for this task? INWN?
ReplyDeleteIf you use drones to relay missile guidance (setting aside comm lag in a supersonic scenario!) then you're broadcasting from the host to the drone which defeats the purpose of EMCON.
DeleteIf. But couldn't you design drones so that they wouldn't need guidance once they'd been sent about their business? I am arguing that you'd rather lose some drones to enemy action than lose their mothership.
DeleteYou're missing the core concept. Assuming you can even do a relay guidance in a supersonic scenario (comm lag), the host platform would have to transmit the guidance signal to the drone which would repeat the signal to the missile. Thus, the host platform would be continuously transmitting which renders the use of a drone redundant and moot. The host platform would be continuously transmitting - just to the drone instead of the missile. You'd gain nothing and introduce comm lag.
Delete"provide guidance for missiles requiring illumination"
DeleteThere have been several upgrades over the years to radar-guided missiles. First the missiles only had basic receivers so the aircraft had to paint the target with its radar in "targeting mode". The missile could see the reflection.
There were disadvantages to this because the target knew they were being missile locked and the aircraft had to keep its radar pointed at the target. So newer missiles like the AIM-120 have their own terminal guidance radar. The newest variants have features like INS which allows the attackers to launch without using radar. The missile flies on internal guidance until it gets close to the projected location of the enemy and turns on its guidance. This can have accuracy problems so they also added mid course correction, which they call a data link but it looks like it comes through radar signals like from an E-2 or E-3. Overall this is a neat trick where an enemy might know its on an E-3s search radar but doesn't know the location of our fighters or if they've fired a missile until the missiles radar turns on a few seconds from impact.
This concept falls apart if you don't have the AEW aircraft, which is the point of this post. If we had a scout drone it'd likely be transmitting on something like LINK-16 which has a lot of latency. So it could give an approximate location to the fighter that they could use to fire an AIM-120, but the kill probability will be low. The drone will have no idea if a fighter is close to fire a missile so the more it transmits, the more it is tipping off the enemy fighters, anyway. Our fighters will need to get within range to find the enemy where they can choose to use radar or heat seeking missiles. Using passive sensors and heat seeking missiles allows them to maintain surprise like our mid course corrected missile scenario.
Another note is that the very long range missiles must be very fast. The enemy knows the location of our E-2 or E-3 from their radar transmissions, but those planes should be cutting off their radar and evading once they see the missiles fire. If the missile is slow they can get outside of its radar envelope by the time it reaches the location. Firing the missile does even the fight for the enemy fighters by taking our AEW out of the picture even if the missile has a low probability of kill.
The main value of a drone in this case is letting the fighters know that there is an enemy and its general location.
DeleteSetting aside the question of how well RWR works (for either side) against a modern AESA radar - nb. the entirety of Chapter 41 of Stimson 3rd ed. is dedicated to this topic, if anyone wants to learn instead of making math-free pronouncements about how LPI can't possibly work - there is some good news in that passive TMA is old hat not only in the sub fleet, but also in the air wing! There are a few ways to skin this particular cat (in brief, filling in the missing information that a PD radar gives you at any point in time that a single passive sensor generally doesn't - range, closure, etc), but one in particular has been used in the fleet before: the data from multiple AN/AAS-42 IRSTs on F-14Ds was able to be used to triangulate and find range, and then the fire control computer was able to compare data points over a brief time to figure out heading and speed. Obviously this worked better (and much faster) if there was a decent-sized spread between the two F-14Ds abeam of each other, but in any case it was done automatically without the RIOs having to buzz each other on the radio and draw diagrams in the back seats. The "IRST21" system that the Navy adopted as part of the AN/ASG-34A(V)1 pod for the Hornet is a direct descendant of the AN/AAS-42. If it and the F-35 don't have this capability that has been around for ages, somebody has dropped the ball - as we have with so many other capabilities.
ReplyDeleteOf course, once you've got a target-quality track on a bandit, you then have to solve the problem of weapons employment. The world we've lived in since the proliferation of Fox-3 missiles with command-inertial navigation modes has been one where Pk of initial shots against aware targets is going to be low, as they'll be able to fire a counter-shot before defending, and both sides will end up doing a little dance of attacking with a 'posturing' shot, pressing to somewhere near the MAR before expecting a counter-shot and preemptively defending even if the RWR's quiet, kinematically (or otherwise) defeating the expected incoming shot, recommitting, reattacking, etc. repeatedly, with the aircraft involved getting lower and closer until somebody gets hit or bugs out. Being able to see and shoot first is still advantageous because your defense can be less drastic (eg. you might be able to stay at altitude and crank twice instead of doing a split-S and going for the deck), leaving you in a much better position for the second or third attack. In a world where radar stealth has proliferated, this means something like the R-27ET with a more AMRAAM-like airframe (much more capable at medium-to-low altitude due to the skinnier body and less draggy fins) might be real useful for finishing a fight before it gets to the merge; I can elaborate a bit on this if anyone's interested.
"learn instead of making math-free pronouncements about how LPI can't possibly work"
DeleteI've read Stimson, so let's get that out of the way.
As Stimson points out repeatedly, LPI is a double sided coin. LPI CAN work but isn't magic; it can also be detected and the techniques required to reduce the probability of detection also work to reduce the probability of target detection. As Stimson said, the only certain way to avoid detection of the LPI source is to not radiate.
I've often considered doing a post on this but the main problem is that there is NO practical data that would make the post worthwhile. For example, at what range can a LPI detect a stealth aircraft versus the stealth aircraft's detection of the LPI? Without practical data, it just becomes a meaningless discussion of formula that offers no practical usefulness.
I'm inclined to believe that, especially for the case of stealthy or semi-stealthy aircraft, no amount of LPI technique will both allow useful detection of the target and prevent detection of the LPI source. What practical, real world examples or data exist to support my belief? None! ... and that's the problem that stops me from offering a post on the subject. I know you'll immediately disagree with my statement/belief but, just as I have no evidence to support my position, you have none to counter it.
As Stimson describes, under the right set of conditions, an LPI might detect a target without, in turn, being detected. However, Stimson also notes that under a different set of right conditions, the LPI won't be able to detect its target without first being detected, itself.
LPI is a potentially useful tool, under the right circumstances, but is not a magic tool.
'I've read Stimson, so let's get that out of the way.'
DeleteGlad to hear it! Which edition did you end up getting? IMO 1E and 2E are better organized than 3E (probably because the eponymous Stimson was still above ground when they were written), but of course 3E is the most up-to-date (not as big a jump over 2E than 2E was over 1E in that regard, though). And of course, 1E has the best pictures, though I will pretend that only my kids care about that.
'the techniques required to reduce the probability of detection also work to reduce the probability of target detection'
As you doubtless noted from your reading of Chapter 41 of 3E or chapter 42 of 2E, this is true of some but not most LPI techniques. Eg. target RCS estimation and power management have this drawback, while FSK and very-wide-spectrum hopping don't meaningfully reduce the probability of target detection.
'I've often considered doing a post on this but the main problem is that there is NO practical data that would make the post worthwhile. For example, at what range can a LPI detect a stealth aircraft versus the stealth aircraft's detection of the LPI? Without practical data, it just becomes a meaningless discussion of formula that offers no practical usefulness.'
I think an analysis using notional figures to demonstrate what ends up mattering and what doesn't could be useful here. This also would get around some of the (many) complications of RCS that would otherwise serve to bog the discussion down - obviously there isn't any one RCS for a given aircraft, as it will differ by bearing, azimuth, wavelength of the threat radar, etc., and so using notional figures and sensitivity analysis can potentially answer concrete questions without getting bogged down into the weeds.
I will also note that, at long last, there are finally two whole data points for the RCS of a stealth aircraft! The wavelengths and detection ranges for the F-117 that got shot down in the Kosovo war are finally known publicly, and from straightforward application of the range equation we can thus determine the RCS of the F-117... at one aspect/azimuth and at two wavelengths. If memory serves it was about 0.02m^2.
'I'm inclined to believe that, especially for the case of stealthy or semi-stealthy aircraft, no amount of LPI technique will both allow useful detection of the target and prevent detection of the LPI source. What practical, real world examples or data exist to support my belief? None! ... and that's the problem that stops me from offering a post on the subject. I know you'll immediately disagree with my statement/belief but, just as I have no evidence to support my position, you have none to counter it. ...
LPI is a potentially useful tool, under the right circumstances, but is not a magic tool.'
I don't completely disagree with your characterization here (though I would also agree with Stimson's characterization in the first paragraph of the LPI chapter in 2E, to wit that effective LPI is 'critical for the future air battle' ), though I will note that there is an interesting corollary to your point here with regards to the difference in the following cases:
1) Stealthy aircraft using AESA radar in an LPI mode attempting to detect stealthy aircraft
2) Unstealthy aircraft using AESA radar in a non-LPI mode attempting to detect stealthy aircraft
3) #1 attempting to detect non-stealthy aircraft
4) #2 attempting to detect non-stealthy aircraft
From this follows the (probably way to complicated for a blog post) question of how a package of stealthy aircraft and unstealthy aircraft and EA aircraft might work together to perform DCA/fleet air defense, PCA/fighter escort, etc.
Finally, there is always the opportunity for a good first-principles TMA post as a primer for passive sensor discussion! As a commenter, of course it is my prerogative to throw out ideas for the blog host, inasmuch is it is the blog host's prerogative to moderate comments and suggest that the lazy commenters write these subjects up themselves.
"Which edition did you end up getting?"
Delete2nd. I found a free download!
" complications of RCS that would otherwise serve to bog the discussion down - obviously there isn't any one RCS for a given aircraft"
And you're starting to see the problem with a post. ANYTHING I say would be instantly disputed by someone with a set of circumstances that contradicts it. Conversely, if I make statements so generic and full of disclaimers and qualifiers that they can't be disputed, they become meaningless. I'm wide open to how to present such a post but I haven't found a way, yet.
The other risk is that, due to the lack of actual data and examples, the discussion devolves to pure math and 98% of the audience loses interest and drops out. Damned if I do, damned if I don't!
"From this follows the (probably way to complicated for a blog post) question of how a package of stealthy aircraft and unstealthy aircraft and EA aircraft might work together to perform DCA/fleet air defense, PCA/fighter escort, etc."
That would be an utterly fascinating exercise, to work out those scenarios. As you say, though, far beyond the scope of a simple post.
There are way too much radio waves in air from various civilian sources. Furthermore, "decoy" has been used to generate RF like radar (for instance, AN/TLQ-32).
ReplyDeleteThere is a miss conception on radar as laymen focus on its "range". Take an example, if you stand on top of a hill, you can see many people far away on street. You can then claim that you can "see" them. However, can you find out John within so many people and keep tracking him?
Jindaloo was an interesting long range OTH radar that reportedly tracked aircraft inbound to Dilhi during the relief efforts.
ReplyDeleteThe real answers lie in Space. I think we can all rest assured that any wide-area detection of any IR or RADAR source, never mind any EMI emitter at all will be done from satellites and they'll offer refined targeting data to the scary missiles.
O/T Have members of Congress been reading your blog, you have written often enough on the subject on the lack of ship maintenance.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.defensenews.com/congress/budget/2023/06/16/house-committee-may-conduct-greater-oversight-of-navy-ship-maintenance/
Nick
Congress has become increasingly frustrated by, and angry with, the Navy for an endless series of failures of various types. I'm glad to see Congress beginning to exercise their Constitutional oversight authority. Honestly, they can't do worse than the Navy!
DeleteThis is going to be a chicken and egg fight for the next 10 plus years on the whole passive versus active. Have to remember AESA radar is not as easy to detect as the old pulse doppler or older Passive ESA forms. As the radar's also become more powerful, the search radius and "guess" of the aircraft being painted becomes much tougher to find the painter. A jet within a 50 mile range can only have so much coverage to be found in, but if it extends further out, it comes exponentially tougher. hence, an F-35 with one of the most powerful AESA's out there is going to be a royal b***h to detect and nail down with 100-120 fighter detection capable radar, and now that AMRAAM's have been tested out to beyond the record setting Phoenix missile ranges (120-130 tested with an F-15 last year), one can only imagine what the AIM-260 is getting in range. Passive also with the newest IRST pods has come a long way, especially for the US, but theoretically even those ranges are what, 60 miles? There are supposed new advances to extend it, but yes, those are perfect for a stealth jet to use, two to three can form a shooting solution (that is tested now), or more importantly, send it back to a missile truck like an F-15 carrying the longer range missiles and hopefully have those reach out and touch someone that only realizes their danger at the last second. but it seems (I'm not a fighter jock) to me that it's a very coordinated dance. Scenario- 3 f-35's perform a sweep in front of f-18's or 15's, say keeping a 60 mile spread between both parties. The f-35's in full passive mode find a target (s), triangulate to obtain headings/speed and hopefully ID the target as to the "what" (that has changed markedly in past 20 years in capability). They will have to send that via a datalink back. That may or may not be detectable as radiating energy. They then do what? Missiles will launch assuming shortly, but you do what in that f-35? If they turn broadside, and the opponent say is a Mig-31 or J-15 with a very powerful, albeit older radar, could it ghost something to the Mig/SU that there is something out there? Or do the f-35's then clean up the hopefully broken up mess or go on to say attack follow on h6 bombers? I don't know. It is better than the alternative by far though, only having radars. Of course, when the AN/APG 85 comes out, which is going to have (most likely insane) more power/capability than anything prior, especially due to gallium nitride chips, will that just render the need for the passive moot, at least for a few years? chicken or the egg...
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