Wednesday, January 21, 2026

NSC Frigate Delusions

The degree of delusion and fantasy associated with this NSC frigate concept is already stunning and does not bode well for the program.  Let’s check out a few of the notable delusions and fantasies.
 
What is most important about the new frigate design?  We all know it is lethality in support of a focused Concept of Operations (CONOPS), presumably ASW-centric.  However, is that the most important thing about the NSC frigate in the Navy’s view?  Well, here’s their take on it.
 
The new frigate design will focus on American designs and American yards, [Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Daryl Caudle] Caudle said.
 
“Other countries will always prioritize their own fleets, not us, ships that depend on foreign industry,” he said. “That’s why this is an American design backed by American workers, American suppliers and an established logistics and maintenance network. So wherever the ship sails, when the American flag goes into port, it does so with American industry firmly behind it.”[1][emphasis added]

Wow!  Caudle’s last two sentences use the word, “American”, five times.  Apparently, as far as he’s concerned, the NSC frigate’s main and most important characteristic is not firepower, focused mission, CONOPS, cost, or anything else.  The most important characteristic is that it’s “American”!  Got burned by the foreign FREMM design, did ya there Adm. Caudle?  Not gonna make that mistake again, are ya, huh?  Everything about this is gonna be “American”, by God!  Nope, no overreaction, there!  Lurching from one extreme to another is definitely the way to go! 
 
Just out of curiosity, if this American approach doesn’t work out and we’ve already tried, and ruled out, foreign designs, what does that leave for the next attempt?  An extra-planetary Martian design?  But, I digress …
 
So, what is the guiding philosophy for the construction of this NSC-frigate?
 
… Jason Potter, who is performing the duties of Assistant Secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition (RDA), said the service would base the new frigate on an existing design with minimal design changes.[1]

Wait a minute … Isn’t that word for word the guiding principal behind the Constellation’s parent design concept?  Yeah, and we saw how that worked out.  What’s the likelihood that the Navy learns a lesson and leaves the design alone and doesn’t make a host of changes?  This is pure delusion!
 
Where does an NSC-frigate fit into the Navy’s force structure?
 
“The design [with] little adaptation will meet the CNO’s requirements for a small surface combatant,” [Caudle] said. “The current [battle force] requirement is 73, of which we’re meeting less than a third.[1]

Whoa, there admiral.  You think we have around two dozen small surface combatants now?  Are you counting the LCS as a small surface combatant?  The operative word is combatant and the LCS has no useful combat capabilities so you’re deluding yourself.  If you have a requirement for 73 small surface combatants, you’re short 73.
 
What’s the situation on manning for this ship?
 
The design will have accommodations for about 140 sailors.[1]

Have we finally admitted that the LCS idea of a crew of six highly cross-trained sailors plus a parrot cross-trained as a dog isn’t sufficient?  As a point of reference, the Zumwalt is over 600 ft long and 16,000 tons with a crew of 147.  Now, we’re going to build a frigate that’s 400 ft long and 4,600 tons with a crew of 140??!  One of those two ships is incorrectly manned.  Can you figure out which one it is, admiral?
 
What will the NSC-frigate do for us?
 
… this platform would help take the load off of our destroyers so they could focus on some of the higher-end missions,” a second senior official told USNI News.[1]

There it is again.  The ever-present, mythical “free up ships for higher end missions” justification.  Of course, no one has yet come up with an example of what a higher end mission is that the Burkes would be freed up for.  But, I digress …
 
Well, there may be some problems already visible with this NSC-frigate concept but I am, at least, comforted by SecNav’s strongly implied assurance that change orders will come only over his dead body, as documented in the previous post.  Ominously, though, there’s this,
 
One of the few changes the Navy intends to make to the NSC design is to construct a platform above the open boat deck for containerized mission packages …[1]

A platform to hold containerized packages on the order of 40,000 lbs!  That’s a heft platform! 
 
So, it’s not even a formal program yet and, despite SecNav’s proclamation, we’re already making changes – changes that will affect the ship’s designed weight margins, weight allowances, stability, total weight, sea keeping and handling, etc.  Inevitably, those changes will require other changes in propulsion, ballasting, fore/aft freeboard, internal structure, etc.  There’s no such thing as an isolated change in ship design.
 
Well, at least the change is to enable a modular mission package approach.  That worked so well on the LCS that even I can’t argue against it.  Modular is clearly the way to go. … right?
 
Those containers could do a host of missions. That’s a core element of the future force design.[1]

That is some Class A delusion, there!
 
Well, at least the entire modular modification will be the only change, right?
 
Based on the FREMM design in service with the French and Italian navies, the Constellation class design required modifications to meet U.S. Navy survivability standards.[1]

Uh … say, there SecNav … are you aware that the NSC design does NOT fully meet Navy standards?  So, either we build a sub-standard vessel for Navy service or we make more changes to the Constellation NSC-frigate to meet Navy standards. 
 
Will the NSC-frigate be armed similar to the Constellation?
 
The initial FF(X) hull will be largely unmodified from the systems found on the NSC, officials told USNI News.[1]

The NSC’s entire weapons fit is 1x 57 mm gun and a CIWS.  That’s it.  That’s all.  If the NSC-frigate is going to be “largely unmodified from the systems found on the NSC”, that will be one extremely lightly armed ship, bordering on unarmed.  If we add VLS, torpedoes, anti-ship missile racks, RAM/SeaRAM, etc., that will necessitate extensive … um … what are those called when you change the design? … oh, yeah … change orders.  You know, the things SecNav implied would not happen and that he would have to personally approve.  I’m guessing he’s going to be doing a LOT of approving despite his little sound bite.  Added weapons will require internal structural changes, expanded magazines, ammo hoists, modified power and utility runs, etc.  Hmm … weight, weight margins, stability …
 
Fortunately, industry sees no problems.
 
… Chris Kastner, HII’s president and CEO, said in a statement. “Speed matters, and the NSC ship design is stable and producible and will lead to predictable schedules.[1]

I guess Mr. Kastner is unaware of all the changes the Navy is already planning to make to the NSC.  Can you say, “goodbye cost, goodbye schedule”?
 
Well, there you have it – a broad assortment of fantasy and delusion before the program has even gotten off the ground.  I can’t foresee any problems, whatsoever.
 
 
 
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[1]USNI News website, “SECNAV: New Frigate will be Based on National Security Cutter, First FF(X) to be Built at Ingalls”, Sam LaGrone, 19-Dec-2025,
https://news.usni.org/2025/12/19/secnav-new-frigate-will-be-based-on-national-security-cutter-first-ffx-to-be-built-at-ingalls

8 comments:

  1. First, level set on the manning. NSC has accommodation for 148 and crews with 113. LCS Manning has been upped to 112. Seems like there might be a lesson there. Finally, Zumwalt has landed on 217 crew.

    There is some debate as to whether hull one will just finish as an NSC, but I don't think that's what they are saying per the slide from the SNA briefing. The aft deck would be prepped for 16 NSM or 48 Hellfire out the gate. If you look at the 2 boats and 3 cranes back there its probably about 60,000 pounds to play with along with any additional savings from removing the boat launch. The 16 NSM would be about 34,400.

    The other mods from baseline are Phalanx swap for RAM and 2 x 30mm guns which I assume will be mk 38 mod IV although not stated as such. SLQ-32 is also upgraded to SEWIP Blk II V6 and radar swapped to Sea Giraffe with SPQ-9B deleted. It also looks like SRBOC is deleted with NULK retained. The front of the deckhouse is redesigned, displacement raised to 4750 ton. All fuel tankage retained.

    I suspect the gensets will be upgraded from CAT 3512B to 3512C with more power, but that might be after the first flight. Also notable is that they just have a box sitting where the Mk 20 EOSS is currently located.

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  2. If you're decking over the boat ramp aft, do it right and install a VDS and torpedo tubes so the damn thing can at least do some limited ASW missions. Total lack of CONOPS for this platform, it should be ASW centric from the beginning. The whole program will end up being FUBAR.

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    1. They have lready said ASW isn't in scope for Flt 1. Likely teaming with USVs for ASW and strike initially. Given the ship details provided show an extra 3 feet, my guess is it is all at the stern accounting for future needs. It could use it. The specs for the follow on LRI boat is only 34.5'.

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  3. Add to the change orders moving the diesels up a deck
    and raft and encapsulate them. Noisy frigate vs. Sub
    ain't a good CONOPS.

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  4. Do we think they're going to paint them grey or white? I vote white.

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  5. USN will never do this and CG will never have the budget BUT honestly, if it's just for low intensity, anti pirate, anti drugs, presence, show the flag, etc.....isn't the mission better served by the CG than by the USN anyways and just have CG buy more cutters?!?!?

    Isn't that really the basis of the issue here? USN needs a escort/ASW ship with decent combat capability BUT then it's not really a cheap low cost frigate like the original CG NSC. USN then should have stuck with the original Euro FREEM which could have been a decent small frigate but USN turned it into a mini DDG Burke which blew up on size, timeline and money in USN face. It's really trying to eat the cake, not pay for the cake, lose weight on the cake and please, cake has to taste good, that's not how reality works, you can't have it all and neither can USN.....

    This is already showing all the issues that came up with FREEM being transformed into Connie FFX and it's not the fault of the builder or ship design, it's USN that can't make up it's mind and be honest on what it needs for the mission....honestly, what is the real mission?!?

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  6. Frankly, I think the USN simply doesn't have time to muck around anymore, and chose an imperfect choice because the only other realistic choice was nothing at all. We all know the Legend class ship with SeaRam and 8 NSM isn't enough- it's simply what a functioning LCS would have been like 20 years ago.

    But the US squandered a 30 year lead with it's failed concurrency philosophy and eternal adding more and more to designs habit.

    So this is the only option they have. And SecNav indirectly admitted this. the LCS features are on block 1, they'll improve the design and features as it progresses. It's not a proper frigate in any sense of the word, but what can they do? They can't even ask Japan for help buying evolved Mogami's , following Australia's example, because Japan will have no excess capacity to build Mogami's for a third navy simultaneously (yes I know the US only builds within the US) and possibly lack the staff to help the US build it's own .

    My hope is- the Legend class ship is simply a stopgap, to put functioning hulls in the water. In the meantime, they will work on a genuine warship.

    Andrew

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  7. And he spelled 'murica wrong. Every. Time.

    Lutefisk

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