Tuesday, November 30, 2021

Separation and Redundancy

We’ve talked a great deal about designing warships to be survivable and, during the course of those discussions, the topics of separation and redundancy have come up time and again.  Well, it’s time to examine them in greater detail.

 

Survivability encompasses not just physical survival – the ability to sail away without sinking at the conclusion of a battle – but the ability to stay in the fight, functioning effectively, albeit limited, as damage accumulates, right up until the battle concludes or the ship sinks.

 

Two important elements of survivability are separation and redundancy.

 

 

Separation – is just what the term implies.  Important items are physically separated by as wide a distance as possible.  The rationale is straightforward:  the desire to minimize the likelihood of a single hit destroying multiple, identical items.  For example, it would be a poor design that locates all of a ship’s radars within the space that a single weapon explosion could affect.  Separation can sometimes be aided, to an extent, by interposing structures.  For example, radar faces on two sides of a superstructure may not be separated very far in terms of straight line distance but the structural elements between them may offer an enhancement to the effective separation.  Of course, if the separating structural elements are paper thin sheet metal then the gain is minimal.

 

Redundancy – recognizes that items will be damaged and destroyed in combat and survivable ship designs mitigate this by mounting more than one of each critical item.  For example, it would be a poor design that allocates only a single gun or a single CIWS to a ship.  A single hit could remove all of a ship’s capability for that function.

 

Redundancy concerns were highlighted in the recent post on defensive weapon fits where we saw how few defensive weapons are mounted on each ship class.  There is very little redundancy.  Our most important, powerful, and expensive ships, the Nimitz class carriers, have two of each defensive weapon.  How is that redundancy?  WWII ships typically had dozens of each type of weapon – that’s redundancy!  A single hit barely scratched the surface of a WWII ship’s fighting capability.  A single hit on a modern ship can almost eliminate the ship’s entire combat capability!

 

Now, let’s consider some actual examples of separation and redundancy - or the lack thereof – in the Navy’s ship classes.

 

 

Burke Class

 

Radar/Illuminators – The heart of the Burke’s anti-air capability is not its VLS or even the Aegis system;  it is the fire control radars/illuminators.  The Burke class depends on three fire control radars (SPG-62) to guide its anti-air missiles.  Without those three radars the various missiles that depend on semi-active radar guidance are useless.  Unfortunately, two of the Burke’s three fire control radars are clustered on the aft superstructure within about ten feet of each other.  A single hit in the area will eliminate 2/3 of the Burke’s fire control radars.  This is an incredibly poor example of the lack of separation for incredibly important equipment.  On the plus side, the remaining fire control radar is located atop the forward superstructure, well separated from the other two radars.


 

Burke - Note the two illuminators clustered together along with the CIWS


Guns – The Burke class has a single 5” gun and a single CIWS … the epitome of lack of redundancy.

 

VLS – The Burke’s VLS is split into two groups, one forward (32 cells) and one aft (64 cells).  While the separation is excellent, the redundancy for the ship’s main weapon system is poor with only two unarmored ‘mounts’.  The VLS ought to be split into at least 3 groups and, preferably, 4 or 5.  That’s less efficient but much more survivable. 

 

Harpoon – For those Burkes that carry Harpoons, the missiles are mounted in two Mk141 launcher racks that are located side by side with no separation.

 

It is clear that the Burke is a very poor design as regards separation and redundancy.  The fire control illuminators, in particular, are an extreme vulnerability in the design with two of the three being located next to each other.  Similarly, a couple unlucky hits could completely eliminate the ship’s entire VLS weaponry.

 

 

Ford Class

 

Radar - The Ford radar arrays are tightly clustered on the small island.  A single hit on the island will likely see all the radars lost.

 

Anti-Air Weapons – The Ford defensive weapons are well separated around the periphery of the flight deck.  Unfortunately, there is very little redundancy with only two each of RAM and ESSM weapons and three CIWS.

 

 

Zumwalt Class

 

VLS – The Zumwalt’s VLS cells are spread along the sides of the ship.  This is not the classic separation of discrete mounts but it does provide a degree of separation – ‘spreading’ is a more apt description.  In a sense, this spreading of the VLS provides not only a degree of separation but also a degree of effective redundancy.

 

Radars – The Zumwalt radar arrays are scattered along the massive superstructure which provides good separation.

 

Guns – The Advanced Gun System (AGS) that was to be the ship’s main weapon consisted of two guns located on the forward deck with about 20 m center-to-center separation.  This is poor example of both separation and redundancy.  Of course, since the weapons are non-functional, the point is moot.

 

Ironically, the Zumwalt, for all its other flaws (like no close in defensive weapons at all !) actually has better separation and redundancy schemes than other Navy ships.

 

 

Ticonderoga Class

 

Radar/Illuminators – As with the Burke class, the Ticonderogas use fire control radars/illuminators.  There are four illuminators, which is better redundancy, but the are located in two widely separated fore/aft pairs with individual units of each pair being located within around 10 ft of each other.  As with the Burkes, this clustering of the main component of the ship’s defensive capability is a very poor design. 

 

The Ticonderoga’s SPY radar arrays are split into pairs which are widely separated with one pair on the forward superstructure and the other pair on the aft superstructure.  Unfortunately, each pair of arrays are tightly clustered within several feet of each other.  So, some good separation and some bad.

 

Compounding the problem is the fact that the fore and aft illuminators are located close to the radar arrays.  A single hit could easily eliminate two arrays and two illuminators.  That’s a very poor design.

 

VLS – The VLS is split into two groups, one forward (61 cells) and one aft (61 cells).  While the separation is excellent, the redundancy for the ship’s main weapon system is poor with only two unarmored ‘mounts’.  A single hit on either group will cost the ship half its weapons.  The VLS ought to be split into at least 3 groups and, preferably, 4 or 5.  That’s less efficient but much more survivable. 

 

The Ticonderogas have better redundancy than the Burkes but have a significant design flaw with the fore and aft groupings of the radar arrays and the illuminators.  Added to this is the lack of redundancy in the VLS groups.

 

Guns – The Ticonderogas have two 5” guns, one far forward and one far aft which is excellent separation although the redundancy is lacking.  The class has two CIWS which are located within around 30 ft of each other which is poor separation and poor redundancy.

 

Harpoon – The Ticonderoga Harpoon missiles are mounted in two Mk141 launcher racks that are located on the port corner of the stern, side by side with no separation.



Ticonderoga - Note the two Harpoon launchers side-by-side on the stern.


 

 San Antoinio Class

 

Radar/Illuminators – The San Antonios have two radars, each mounted on its own enclosed mast, with wide separation.  Unfortunately, neither radar is capable of performing the other’s task so there is no redundancy. 

 

RAM – The San Antonios have two Rolling Airframe Missile launchers, one on each corner of the superstructure with excellent separation but, with only two launchers, poor redundancy.

 

Well Deck – The well deck has only one opening, in the stern.  A hit (or simple mechanical failure of the door) would render the entire well deck and the ship’s very reason for existence – landing troops and equipment – non-functional.  This single point of failure is the epitome of the lack of redundancy.  Before someone snidely asks how else the well deck could possibly be accessed, let me remind you that the WWII Attack Transports (APA) carried two dozen landing craft scattered around the ship and no single hit or failure could possibly render the transport non-functional.  It’s time we re-examine our design philosophy about amphibious assault with an eye to remaining functional even in the face of combat damage.

 

 

 

 

Conclusion

 

It is clear that our CRUISEships are not designed for combat and are not survivable.  We have all but abandoned combat-effective levels of redundancy and are ignoring separation of critical equipment.  We need to recall the WARship design lessons of WWII and return to designing ships for combat.

 

One of the things that the Navy has forgotten in its quest to design ships as business cases is that combat is not an accounting exercise.  Many/most aspects of a good, robust, survivable WARship design are antithetical to accounting and business practices.  In short, combat is an inefficient, costly activity that often rewards inefficient designs.  Clustering most of a ship’s weaponry into two VLS groups may be efficient but it is not a combat-survivable design.  Combining several individual radars into a single radar may be efficient but it is not combat-survivable.  Separation and redundancy are, almost by definition, inefficient and yet they are vital to combat survival.  We need to stop designing based on accounting and business and start designing for combat, as our fathers did in WWII.

 

 

 

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Note:  Closely related to redundancy is backup.  Backup items, as opposed to identical, redundant items, should be functionally the same but use a different technology and be as completely isolated and separated from the primary item as possible.  This includes using separate power and computing sources.  Otherwise, a single hit resulting in loss of power (severed power cable, for example) could render both the primary and backup inoperative.  An industrial example of a primary and backup system would be a chemical reactor water cooling system using typical pumps for circulation.  The backup system would be a gravity fed water tank that can be cross-connected into the reactor in the event of electrical power loss.  A naval example of a primary and backup system would be a radar guided fire control system.  The backup would be an optical fire control system, possibly in local mode.  This is exactly the arrangement that was used in WWII, by the way.  We understood all these design concepts once upon a time.

 

44 comments:

  1. Center to center for the guns on Zumwalt is about 80 feet. Part of the design is also its electrical distribution and emergency battery back up. I think part of this is a dividing line between a small surface combatant and a large one. The Burke shoots for large, but is really the high end of small from a certain perspective. If it continues as a hull form it needs to be designed to be small and let Zumwalt be big.

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    1. The zumwalt has guns?

      Instead of distributing the VLS aft, center, and bow to the 3, 4, or 5 locations, I think a simpler solution would to be to utilize them in the armor scheme along the belt.

      Put armor behind them and between the individual VLS cells and have them act as spaced armor.

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    2. "Center to center for the guns on Zumwalt is about 80 feet."

      Oops. That was a typo. It's m, not ft. I've corrected. However, every dimensioned drawing I've looked at shows around 63 ft center to center and around 30 ft closest points.

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  2. Take a look at Atlanta light cruiser scheme for Constellation class FFG or modern Destroyer. Take Des Moines class scheme for the future AAW cruiser. Hope you review my offer

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    1. Yes, either of those make a good conceptual foundation for future ship designs.

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    2. Should the Navy return twin or triple gun turrets?

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    3. For AAW cruisers and classic destroyers yes. Pay attention to frigate design and ship bottom strengthening against torpedoes impact. That's vital. Also take a look at quadcopter with fiberoptics wire and radar for the OTH targeting against low flying missiles with medium/long range SAM before they enter tha radio horizon.

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  3. I'd also suggest limiting number of weapons types and use those types to provide coverage. Zumwalt is another good example. Right or wrong, 3 basic types. Pick the most versatile and build ships with enough room for those types or larger from the start.

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    1. I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting. We have relatively few weapon types. For AAW, we have CIWS, SeaRAM/RAM, ESSM, and Standard. Each has a different range and role. Similarly, in WWII, for AA, they had 20mm, 40mm, and 5", each with a different range and role.

      For strike, we do seem to be developing some overlapping weapons with Hellfire, Harpoon, JSM, LRASM, the coming OASuW (whatever that turns out to be) and Tomahawk, along with the now cancelled LRLAP. Harpoon is at the end of its service life (maybe?) but we could possible eliminate one or two from the group of OASuW, LRASM, and Tomahawk.

      What would you suggest standardizing on?

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    2. I'm not talking eliminating a weapon type from the fleet, just consolidating what is on a given ship type. Like the Italians and their Strales gun. Use a gun we can put on the bow and above the hangar.

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    3. "just consolidating what is on a given ship type."

      Consolidating means eliminating. Are you suggesting that a single weapon can serve all functions? What would be an example of a US ship with a single weapon type and what would that weapon be?

      I fear I'm still missing your point.

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    4. For instance, use of 2 Mk 110, eventually Mk 46 guns on Zumwalt vs the Mk 110 and RAM on a Connie. Like how the one Italian Fremm type has the 76mm on the bow and above the hangar.

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    5. Are you suggesting that a Mk110 or Mk46 gun is capable of dealing with anti-ship missiles?

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    6. Nope. They might get there with the mk 110.

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    7. So … what would be the short range anti-air weapon?

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  4. It occurs to me that this isn't a new problem that can be blamed on the recent "vacation from history" admirals. Note that the Burke, Tico, and Nimitz were all designed during the Cold War.

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    1. Quite right. It illustrates just how quickly we forget what's important in WARship design once shooting stops. It also illustrates how quickly other priorities ascend on the list - things like budget, politics, career concerns, etc. - once the only real priority, combat, ceases to be a factor.

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  5. Given that if (when?) we go to war, it will probably be with China. Any idea how Chinese ships measure up on these factors?

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    1. From what I can observe, they appear to have largely copied our designs and, therefore, suffer from the same vulnerabilities - which would offer us an advantage in combat IF WE WOULD REDESIGN OUR SHIPS WITH ARMOR AND MORE FIREPOWER … but we won't so ...

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    2. This is specifically where I look at the immediate postwar designs. Moving to 3" and 5" with the stopping power needed to stop a kamikaze. Double end maintained. Too expensive to buy in quantities needed even then.

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    3. "immediate postwar designs"

      You may be misunderstanding what took place in ship design post-WWII. The reduction in guns was not due to economics. It was due to the misguided and incorrect belief at the time that missiles would provide a magic bullet solution to AAW and, therefore, guns were less necessary.

      Consider that the ships being designed at the very end of WWII still emphasized massive quantities of guns. The Des Moines class cruiser, for example, which entered service in 1948-49, had

      3 × triple 8"/55 caliber guns
      6 × twin 5"/38 caliber guns
      12 × twin 3"/50 caliber guns
      12 × single Oerlikon 20 mm

      The Gearing class destroyer which entered service in 1945-46, had 6x 5" guns, 12x 40mm, and 11x 20mm.

      Even the post-war Norfolk class destroyer which was designed as an ASW ship rather than a gun destroyer had 8x 3" and 16x 20mm.

      As designers became entranced by the lure of magic missiles, guns eventually declined in number.

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    4. Yes, Juneau, Worcester, Des Moines were all coming from early war experience, before the Kamikaze. Those ships hitting the fleet about 1953 had a decision made after the fact and also before the missiles were ready.

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  6. The MK 41 could be separated without going to the extremes of the Zumwalt. Multiple 8-cell blocks with armored walls could be distributed even on a slightly redesigned Burke (albeit at a loss of total tubes). Losing the hanger would be a good first step of course.

    Question: since you have pointed out that other defects aside, the separation and redundancy is good, would you think a Zumwalt with the AGS boat anchors replaced by multiple sets of 8-cell VLS and RAM/CIWS units give the Zumwalts potential? You have rightly focused on the 155mmm debacle and lack of defensive firepower before, but if those were fixed, how viable a combat vessel would it be in your opinion?

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    1. "multiple sets of 8-cell VLS and RAM/CIWS units give the Zumwalts potential?"

      That depends … the potential to do what? This is the CONOPS issue, again. What is it we/you would want the Zumwalt to do? Answer that and then I can tell you whether it would be a good fit.

      Okay, so I can't truly answer your question without a CONOPS to compare the capabilities to but I'll try to give you a generic answer anyway, for the sake of discussion.

      Yes, there is the potential for a useful vessel if it were redesigned. The VLS would have to be broken up and distributed, of course. Close in weapons would have to be added.

      My concern is the cost, which is extreme for a run of the mill firepower ship, and the inherent design flaws like the lack of armor on a very large and very expensive ship. You don't want a very large and very expensive ship to be sunk by just a few hits because it doesn't have any armor and lacks sufficient crew for damage control. I'm not even addressing the sea keeping questions and constraints.

      The major attribute of the Zumwalt is its size (which is not being utilized!). A better approach would be for the Zumwalt to be designed as a ballistic and/or hypersonic launch platform where its size would be a significant advantage. Give it some armor and defensive weapons and you've now got a useful ship with a purpose and capability.

      What do you think?

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    2. To the issue of Zumwalt cost. Allowing for the peculiarities of the arcane world of DOD accounting it was my understanding, potentially mistaken, that a major driver of Zumwalt cost, on a per ship basis, has been the expense of developing a variety of novel system such as propulsion, weapons, etc, all of which then had to be spread across an ever-decreasing number of vessels.

      Given that this technology development effort is complete (to the extent that the various systems are now operating on a vessel that is capable of going to sea - tinkering with tech never stops of course) I would assume, perhaps mistakenly, that construction of future iterations of the base Zumwalt hull, modified appropriately to eliminate the abandoned AGS, and perhaps incorporating AMDR, would cost considerably less than the 3 Zumwalts. Though as I say, I could be mistaken.

      Whatever else is the case though it seems well past time that the Navy moved on from modifications of the 1980s Burke design.

      In passing, I remain surprised, given that the Zumwalts are likely to have a relatively short service life, and remain somewhat experimental, that the Navy didn't take the opportunity to modify the design of the final vessel as a testbed for a "discount CG(X).

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    3. "Zumwalt cost."

      The costs are laid out in the GAO reports. In round numbers, the R&D cost was $12B and the construction cost was, initially, also around $12B. Thus, the pure construction cost was around $4B per ship. However, since then, we've seen that the Navy has used a partially incomplete delivery system (phased delivery), large non-warranty repair costs, and a delayed combat systems installation. An unknown amount of this has been paid for outside of the budgeted ship construction costs. My semi-informed estimate is that the true ship construction cost is around $5B each.

      So, depending on what you want to remove or add to the basic Zumwalt design, the cost would go up or down from $5B, accordingly.

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    4. Here is the blow by blow on their budget over the years. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XxWLfI9aGVOox04hlFsyzpadw25Yv1qNsMDZHpg1_aQ/edit?usp=sharing

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    5. "What do you think"
      My thinking is as replacement/supplement in roll of AA/strike missile deployment.
      The Navy makes terms like "cruiser" and "destroyer" hard to use. This is due to the Navy and big shipbuilders having blurred their meanings unlike your precise fleet structure. We might as well return to the old sailing navy terms for Ships of the Line with VLS tube replacing guns. After all they supposed to all do AA/ASW/strike etc. A Tico would be a 120 tube Ship, a Burke 90 tubes, Constellation 32 tubes etc.
      Sorry but I digress. The current lack of specialization is a point of annoyance for me.
      I believe that if the size of the Zumwalt is taken into account, it could fit more of a role akin to a cruiser. Its stealth feature also helps with the traditional cruiser’s independence. Fixing the firepower and defensive armament is relatively easy by replacing the AGS and the silly hanger (a non-stealthy ASW chopper on a ship that is supposedly stealthy and doesn’t really do ASW? ).
      The design has some other existing features that aids in survivability. On of course is simply the size. With properly trained and utilized emergency response (unlike the Bonhomeme Richard), larger ships can take more punishment. The “wings” of the trimaran configuration also give partial protection to the main hull, and provide redundant buoyancy should the primary hull become compromised. Also the same angled steel surfaces that provide stealth also provides increased protection as proven on 80+ years of tanks with angled armor dating back to the T-34 and Panzer Mk V. Not equal to true armor of course but still a minor improvement on vertical upper decks of older classes.
      The peripheral VLS does provide protection as well. It doesn’t sound like surrounding the hull with explosive tipped missiles is safe but there are precedents. The M1 Abrams has an armored blow away panel for the 120mm ammunition compartment. In one well recorded case an anti-tank missile pierced the heavy armor and detonated all the stored ammunition. Not only did the crew survive the hit but the tank was refurbished and put back into service. Explosions act as a fluid, and will follow the path of least resistance. A hit on a peripheral VLS cell with their blow off top panels and will direct most of an ASuW warhead and any secondary detonation upwards away from the interior. Since the cells were meant for bigger and heavier missiles than those currently fielded, armor could also be placed on the interior of these cells while staying within existing weight calculations thus adding conventional armor to an existing design.
      Adding in the separation/redundancy you already pointed out and I believe the Zumwalt is a viable ship for the Cruiser/Destroyer roll without the need for a complete redesign. As for the cost…you got me there. While I think replacing guns/hanger with VLS & CIWS/RAM and adding armor to the peripheral VLS would not add much to the total cost, the total cost is already too high. Congress needs to start pushing the message that they pay the bills not the Navy and the builders are overcharging.

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    6. We need realistic lifecycle costs too. Reality is the crew is 217 and potentially growing more on Zumwalt. Also, using historical data for what value it may provide, DDG-1002 before the program fell apart was budgeting at an inflation adjusted amount of about $3.3 billion. In a well funded navy that might be a ship we could get from 1 yard at 1 per year. Perfect rate in the long run for a cruiser. Then move Burke down market or Constellation up market.

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  7. All excellent points about weapons, radars, etc. Id also offer that with the power and information heavy nature of todays ships, even damage that isnt directly to those components could be problematic. While this may or may not be feasible, consider the Iowas emergency power bypass stations. They were placed throughout the ship with heavy cabling and junction boxes that could be connected to bypass damaged cable runs. Id imagine even minor damage to cableways full of fine wiring and fiber optics(?) could render todays radars, illuminators, and weapons impotent. Id also assume that those info harnesses have no protection, unlike on the Iowas, where much of the main power distribution was inside the armored citadel, under the armored deck, etc, and could be damaged by even small arms...

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    1. While details are scarce, the descriptions of the Zumwalt suggest an electrical distribution system that was designed to be rapidly cross-connected at many points in the event of damage. How successful this design feature is, is unknown, however, the initial Zumwalt operation resulted in a major electrical failure and cross-connecting, if it was attempted, did not restore operation so … ????

      Regardless, these are exactly the kinds of survivability design features that ought to be part of every ship.

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  8. Re: the Ford class; maybe even more concerning than the lack of redundancy in air defence mounts is the elimination of the portside elevator from the preceding (Nimitz) class. Having all three elevators on a single side increases the likelyhood that a single hit could provide a cheap mission kill by eliminating the ship's ability to move aircraft between the hangar deck and flight deck.

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    1. It was the starboard aft elevator that was eliminated from the Nimitz class. The Ford has two elevators starboard, both forward of the island and one elevator port. The elevators are separated by around 250 ft from the next closest one. Elevator placement appears well separated.

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    2. My bad, I don't know how I screwed that up.

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    3. No problem! :)

      Your observation that elevators represent a potentially crippling point of failure is well taken. Fortunately, carrier elevators are well separated and fairly redundant although dropping from earlier 4-elevator designs to 3-elevator does increase the risk, as you note. This was done, presumably, as an efficiency and cost-savings measure which were ?unwisely? prioritized over combat resilience.

      Your point is spot on!

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    4. I would certainly presume that eliminating an elevator was a cost saving measure. I don't wan't to speak too much about things I'm not directly familiar with (I was infantry), but I can almost hear the conversation taking place... "we can eliminate the aft starboard elevator, that one gets used the least" (I have no idea if that is the case).

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  9. Wonder what a ship would look like if it was built to CNO "standard" compared to USN ship design, I mean it would look different...but would be cool to see what the concept would look like .

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    1. Yes, it would be interesting to see CNO designs of various warships!

      Andrew

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    2. The CNO designs would take advantage of all the usable deck space to cram in weapons and systems everywhere they fit! There is no space to waste on a warship. The designs clearly show redundancy. We have to assume the separation part. Check out this link:

      https://navy-matters.blogspot.com/p/fleet-structure.html?m=0

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  10. The Italians are the rare exception to this separation and redundancy issue with regards to guns.

    Every main ship has a medium calibre gun, and front line ships have 2 to 3 of them, which, in the 21st century, is exceptional.

    eg Horizon class Destroyer 2 x 76mm guns fore, 1 x 76mm aft
    Trieste carrier/Assault ship 3 x 76mm guns
    Fremm's 1 x 5 inch, 1 x 76mm guns, or 2 x 76mm guns
    3 of the 4 replenishments ships have 76mm guns, and all 4 have many, many machine guns

    Now, I'm not talking about overall firepower, since they usually only have 16-32 cell VLS's, but for guns, they're still doing the right thing, imho

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    1. Italy showcases their national product on their ships. You could also interpret that as they use what they have so as to not rely as much on others. Either way, they are the euro navy I'd take to a fight between surface combatants.

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    2. Showcasing or not, they are the only country to properly arm and defend their carriers, imho, and upgun the rest of their ships, imho. The reason isn't important. In a war, you fight with what you have, and if your carrier has 3 x 76mm guns, and each front end ship has x2-3 main guns, in addition to their x8 anti ship missiles, they're ahead of the game, imho.

      Andrew

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  11. I'm going to make a plug in support of backup systems, using the Falkland Islands conflict as a reference.

    The enemy gets a vote. The UK's longer-range/higher altitude Sea Dart was precisely understood by Argentina, they had their own sets. They maneuveured precisely to stay out of it's engagement envelope whenever they could. This cost them in endurance and other inevitable trade-offs but largely negated Sea Dart, meaning the enemy chose which weapons systems they were exposed to, and they chose the UK's Other-Than-Sea-Dart options. The secondary became the primary. The USN's likely opponent is very active in gathering intelligence and this analogy holds.

    Things happen. Ground clutter was a major limiting factor for UK systems at the landing site, Sea Wolf and Rapier typically could only maintain tracking successfully on targets with open water behind them. Computer programmes and their connected weapons mounts shut down unexpectedly when faced with situations outside design parameters. Ships maneuveuring in enclosed waters blocked lines of sight for sensors and weapons. The unexpected occurred, and failings both expected and unexpected limited the use of certain weapons. And then the secondary (guns) became the primary. The UK missiles were not designed for use in that sort of challenging terrain, but the UK chose that location knowing this because other considerations made enclosed waters the place to be, regardless of the challenges their missile systems might face.

    I am sure that modern systems presumably can handle ground clutter much better, and I am aware that Lockheed advertises Aegis on land. However, we don't know how stealth and modern ECM is going to affect modern systems, and the ground may still be relevant with degraded systems. Rather than fighting Russian subs and bombers in the open water and sky of the mid-Atlantic, future conflict may occur around the islands of the western Pacific. Modern day analogies to the Falklands experience can be anticipated.

    The USN has the 50+ km ESSM as backup to the Standard, which recently gained an active guidance option. On some ships they are both fired from the same launcher and presumably share other systems, making this a critical point of vulnerability. Given recent trend towards less testing, I am concerned as to whether this shared system has been tested enough under adverse conditions (including ECM) to justify a single type of mount, rather than a separate Mk 29-type solution.

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