Monday, May 5, 2025

Naval Marines

A reader recently suggested using detachments of Marines on Navy ships to conduct small land actions and, further, to supplement them with sailors who have been give some land combat training.  The reader noted that this was once a common practice.
 
The idea is intriguing and I’d like to run with it a bit. Is it a feasible idea, today?  Would it be effective?
 
Let’s do a brief review of some historical naval Marine actions to remind ourselves how they were used.
 
 
Sandwich – In May 1800, at Puerto Plata, Commodore Talbot, aboard the USS Constitution, sent a raiding party of 90 sailors and Marines under the command of then Lieutenant Isaac Hull to ‘cut out’ the Sandwich, a French privateer that had been plaguing the area and was being refit under the protection of the nearby Spanish fortress.  They quickly surprised and overwhelmed the Sandwich but needed time to prepare the ship for sailing.  Hull ordered the Marines to seize the nearby fort which they did with no casualties, ensuring the safety of the operation.  The Sandwich was successfully sailed out of the harbor.
 
Barbary Pirates – In Feb 1804, at Tripoli, Captain Stephen Decatur led a small unit of Marines in a clandestine night attack on the previously captured frigate Philadelphia, now being used as an enemy gun battery.  They successfully boarded the vessel and burned it, thus denying its use to the enemy.
 
Marquesas Islands – In Dec 1813, a detachment of Marines and sailors from the frigate USS Essex, Captain David Porter commanding, landed on Nukuhiva and secured the island to enable refit and R&R operations.  They established a small fort and mediated a cessation of a local tribal war.
 
Cape Antonio - On December 16, 1821, USS Porpoise, conducting anti-piracy operations under the command of Lieutenant James Ramage, located five pirate vessels and the merchant brig Bolina. Forty sailors were lowered into five boats and Ramage led an attack which burned the vessels and freed the Bolina.
 
Matanzas – In Nov 1822, near Matanzas, Cuba, USS Alligator, commanded by Lieutenant Allen as part of the Navy’s West Indian Anti-Piracy Campaign, launched small boats carrying 40 men to attack a group of three pirate schooners and five prizes.  The pirates were routed although Allen was killed in the action.
 
 
It is interesting to note that shipboard Marine detachments ended in 1998.  Beyond that, the Marines did, at one time, experiment with a Company Landing Team (CoLT) concept.  I don’t know what became of that.
 
 
Analysis
 
Now, let’s analyze the historical examples to understand why they worked and whether those same conditions for success would apply today.
 
In earlier times, the absence of timely long distance communications meant that ship’s captains had to act as an arm of the country’s diplomatic efforts, often creating policy on the spot.  This offered captains a great deal of latitude in the choice of options and force was often a preferred and effective choice.
 
Another major factor that allowed the success of these small naval Marine actions was the localized nature of affairs.  An enemy couldn’t respond quickly to bring reinforcements to bear.  Indeed, it would often be days or weeks before the enemy’s higher command or nearby forces even learned of the action.  Thus, if the naval Marines could overcome the local resistance, they and their host ship were assured of safety for days or weeks.  Today, with instantaneous communication, aircraft, missiles, long range artillery, etc., any local operation can potentially be countered with overwhelming force in a matter of minutes or hours.  A very lightly armed raiding force simply cannot withstand aircraft, armor, missiles, etc. and, further, the ship that they operate from is placed in immediate danger as well.
 
Today’s instantaneous communications means that the entire world will hear about an action almost on a real time basis which means that any action will have global political repercussions, good and bad.  This, among other factors, has made today’s leaders extremely reluctant to engage in the kind of ad hoc naval Marine actions we’re considering.  In earlier times, communication lags meant that it would takes months or years for an action to become known around the world and, by then, it was a past event and limited global consequence.
 
Along this same line, small actions generally mean small consequences.  A small naval Marine action would, almost by definition, have limited physical consequences – the political repercussions being a separate concern, of course.
 
Manpower was another reason why naval Marine actions were feasible.  Sailing warships carried large crews both for manning the labor-intensive cannons and to make up boarding and prize crews.  Thus, ships had an abundance of sailors and Marines available for off board actions.  Today, with minimal manning compounded be extensive at-sea billet gaps, there simply aren’t enough personnel to even consider such actions.
 
Yet another aspect of these actions is the defensive weapons that an enemy could bring to bear.  In earlier times, the attacking naval Marine force would face only weapons similar to their own with the exception of cannons which had limited, if any, mobility.  Thus, the attacking force could not be overmatched in weapons.  Today, with highly lethal, mobile, and often armored tanks and vehicles along with artillery, missiles, rockets, and aircraft, the attacking force, with only light weapons, is quite likely to face far superior defensive weapons.  Thus, even a small, local defense force may well possess superior firepower compared to a naval Marine force.
 
Finally, the most important factor in any potential naval Marine action is the willingness to take decisive, forceful action.  In earlier times, we were willing to use force as a part of war or as an arm of diplomacy.  Contrast that with today’s timid policy of avoidance and appeasement.  Even if we had naval Marine forces, we wouldn’t use them.
 
 
Potential Uses
 
Understanding why earlier actions were successful and the limits imposed on today’s potential actions, where/how could we use naval Marine forces, today, if we did have them?  Here’s a few examples.
 
Anti-Piracy – On any number of occasions, a naval Marine force could have used small UAVs to track today’s pirates back to their bases of operation and then conducted raids to eliminate them.
 
Anti-Small Boat – A raid against any of Iran’s swarm boat facilities would be a potential use for naval Marine forces.
 
Illegal Islands – As China attempted to build their illegal islands in the South China Sea, naval Marine forces could have conducted raids to destroy the island building efforts.
 
Cutting Out – Chinese vessels that violate allied nation’s territorial waters could be ‘cut out’ and seized.  China has repeatedly, and illegally, sent swarms of fishing vessels and “Coast Guard” vessels into Vietnamese, Philippine, and other waters.
 
 
Conclusion
 
Naval Marine forces for off board actions have been an historically useful and fairly common occurrence.  Today, for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is timidity, this is no longer practiced.  There are, however, situations that could benefit from such actions if we had the mindset and wished to allocate the required resources.
 
Timidity aside, the main drawback would seem to be the potential for the attacking force to run into a level of weaponry that it cannot handle.
 
As an alternative, many of the contemplated actions might seem worthy of SEAL involvement although the need to transport SEALs to the action site would largely negate the benefit of having an organic action party always at hand.
 
It seems that there are situations that could benefit from a naval Marine force but the infrequency of such combined with the cost in additional manning and resources would seem to preclude the practice.  A much better alternative would be to make greater use of SEALs on carefully planned, small missions.  Of course, that assumes a level of fortitude we have not exhibited for many years.

45 comments:

  1. Well said, I think most of these "missions" would fall today under the remit of SEALs, Rangers or other SFs.....the issue really isn't military, it's the political courage to pull the trigger and send them in, that's missing compared to 100 years ago. Today piracy would be very "easy" mission to produce and justify but we haven't done anything on the ground as far as I can tell, don't think anyone has hit any bases of operations from the air or sent in troops......

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    1. "fall today under the remit of SEALs, Rangers or other SFs"

      The only problem with that is, as I mentioned in the post, that it defeats the advantage of having an on-scene action force at all times. In today's world, it's a crapshoot whether we can prepare, transit, stage, and launch a special forces raid without being known ahead of time.

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  2. Coast Guard cutters have small crews yet often put a squad of armed men ashore or aboard ships.

    Hawaii was seized by Navy bluejackets from the USS Boston in 1893.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OP_THTzXhE

    Hundreds of armed sailors went ashore in 1914 to help invade Vera Cruz, Mexico.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZQGt83w28Q

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  3. Perhaps the balance is to attach an amphib (not an LHA/D) to carrier groups?? It would be a loose attatchment (since the cant keep up if group is in a hurry), but one that would keep a usable force near any current hotspots. I'm not sure how many Marines you could pack (plus weapons) aboard, say a DDG, so I'm not sure if doing so would even be worthwhile, although a better armed security force while overseas might be reasonable to avoid future USS Cole style incidents. But generally, I don't think Marines have much afloat utility. And, if they can't reorient themselves back to somthing useful pretty quick, I'm not convinced they have or even need a future at all. (Yes, I know...blasphemy!!! And it hurts to say it. But like they say,"facts not feelings!!")

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  4. There's a good account of Ottoman troops, reinforced by British naval artillery and marines, defeating The Corsican in 1799.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Acre_(1799)#:~:text=Acre%20was%20a%20site%20of,following%20his%20invasion%20of%20Egypt.

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  5. Seems like this is a matter of scale relative to likely success.

    Dealing with pirates, both in the water and where they enter the water is low risk and high reward. Battling a nations coast guard ships that are trespassing is at a vastly different scale, much more complicated and what exactly would marines do?

    No one's likely to reinforce the pirates, reinforcing the coast guard vessels, pretty much for sure.

    If we built small cutter size ships with extra space for marines and their fast boats, that might be functionally better than assigning a destroyer to some of our missions.

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    1. "Battling a nations coast guard ships that are trespassing is at a vastly different scale, much more complicated and what exactly would marines do?"

      As noted in the post, seizing fishing vessels might be a good use for a naval Marine force. "Battling" a fully armed, large CG vessel would not - although that would be a good mission for a navy ship.

      The idea behind a naval Marine force is to pick your actions: small enough to be executed quickly and efficiently. Such actions required creative thinking a willingness to take on some risk ... both qualities sorely lacking in today's military and military observers/commentators.

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  6. It would appear we lost another F18....bad week for USN. And Houthis maybe took another shot at the carrier?!? US military now says they have taken out 1000 targets and Houthis still firing at us? Something doesn't add up here......

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/06/politics/second-us-navy-jet-is-lost-at-sea

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    1. This is supposed to be a lil third rate terror group... youre right.. the math is starting to smell a bit here...

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    2. I've wondered if damage from the odd collision of the Truman with a cargo ship near Egypt was actually caused by combat action.

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    3. Nah- pictures of the damage pretty clearly showed a fender-bender, not any kind of explosive or flying-thing-hits-boat damage...

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  7. Id like a discussion on ABurke Class I/II service life extensions from 1-5 years. What drove this? mAlso the SPY-6 upgrades to 15-20 ships of the Class IIA. Why not all 47 or at least all of the 35 newest? Besides of course funding. Why only the Ingalls built ships? I have facts and theories of course to explain the questions but would like to know what others know.

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    1. I'm not sure what the mystery is, here. The articles that I've read describing the service life extensions lay it out pretty clearly. New construction is hugely expensive and takes far too long so the Navy is looking to extend the lives of some ships as a way to increase the battle force in the short term.

      As far as the rationale for which ships were chosen, again, the articles lay it out. The Flt I's were assessed for their state of repair and other factors and the most suitable where chosen.

      Is there something more to this that you aren't understanding?

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    2. Yes 17 out of 19 date. Most Suitable? The USN lies everyday. These ships and the two newest Flt I along with the 7 Flt II will have to be extended to make up for the CG debacle and the two year building back log of new DDG. If they are to maintain the force structure found in their 30yr plan. And that plan already has taken a reduction of DDG in any event counting on the Constellation Class to pull up some of the slack of hulls in the water. Which it wont.

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    3. "extended to make up for the CG debacle"

      Yes, this is how the Navy operates. It's malpractice but it's well known and documented so there's no actual mystery, here. You seem to be looking for something more sinister than simple incompetence and mismanagement. Am I missing something?

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    4. Not really “sinister”. More of a clarification as to the whys and wherefores I guess. Heres a chart I made hope its useful:
      Heres a consolidated and easy-to-read chart of the 17 Arleigh Burke-class Flight I destroyers with approved service life extensions, including the length of extension and expected retirement year:

      Ship Name Original Retirement Extended Retirement Extension Duration
      USS Arleigh Burke (DDG 51) 2026 2031 5 years
      USS Ramage (DDG 61) 2030 2035 5 years
      USS Benfold (DDG 65) 2031 2036 5 years
      USS Mitscher (DDG 57) 2030 2034 4 years
      USS Milius (DDG 69) 2031 2035 4 years
      USS Barry (DDG 52) 2028 2031 3 years
      USS John Paul Jones (DDG 53) 2028 2033 5 years
      USS Curtis Wilbur (DDG 54) 2029 2034 5 years
      USS Stout (DDG 55) 2029 2034 5 years
      USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) 2029 2034 5 years
      USS Laboon (DDG 58) 2030 2035 5 years
      USS Paul Hamilton (DDG 60) 2030 2035 5 years
      USS Stethem (DDG 63) 2030 2031 1 year
      USS Carney (DDG 64) 2031 2032 1 year
      USS Gonzalez (DDG 66) 2031 2036 5 years
      USS Cole (DDG 67) 2031 2036 5 years
      USS The Sullivans (DDG 68) 2032 2035 3 years
      Unfortunately it doesnt translate well here.

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    5. I can email the chart which makes it even more readable.

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    6. Again, you seem to be looking for some deeper significance than simply extending some ship's lives to avoid further decreasing fleet numbers. What are you seeing? Whatever itis, I'm not seeing it.

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    7. Maybe Im just confused. Once you asked me for a citation on CG 47 life expectancy. You didnt like the one I provided. The fy 2013 longrange shipbuilding plan states it but links to it are broken. I do have this from CRS:
      CRS Report: Navy Ticonderoga-Class Cruiser Modernization
      Author: Ronald O’Rourke
      CRS Code: RL34179
      Date: Multiple editions from 2012–2023

      “The Navy’s 22 remaining Ticonderoga-class cruisers are being modernized to extend their service lives to 40 years.”
      (CRS Report RL34179, 2013 and repeated in later versions)
      This wording appears in several editions of the report from 2013 through at least 2021, confirming that the Navy's baseline planning used a 40-year service life for CGs.
      Hope this is helpful. I will post the Report to congress as soon as I can find it.
      I find you useful but very Acerbically.

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    8. U.S. Navy 30-Year Shipbuilding Plan (FY 2013)
      “The Ticonderoga-class cruisers have a service life of 40 years.”
      This language was used in several versions of the Navy’s 30-Year Shipbuilding Plan submitted to Congress.

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    9. CRS Report: Navy Force Structure and Shipbuilding Plans
      CRS Code: RL32665
      Author: Ronald O’Rourke
      2021 Edition

      “The Navy’s 22 remaining cruisers were originally procured with 35- to 40-year expected service lives. Modernization efforts were planned to help most reach the 40-year mark.”
      This confirms that while some internal references used a 35–40-year range, Navy planning and CRS interpretation consistently reference 40 years as the service-life extension goal with modernization

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    10. "Once you asked me for a citation on CG 47 life expectancy."

      The Ticonderogas originally had a 35 year service life. Several years ago, the Navy came up with a short lived plan to extend the service lives of all ships by 5-10 years. They quickly realized this was ridiculous and reverted to the original service lives. Various documents, depending on the sources they use, list the service lives as 35, 35-40, and 40 years. In any event, it's a moot point. As far as I know, all the Ticos have been retired at 35 years or less with two exceptions, one at 36 and one at 37.

      I remain baffled about what point, if any, you're trying to make. Make it quickly or cease this thread. It's going nowhere. Thank you.

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  8. OT, but it looks like we’ve thrown in the towel with the Houthis. USN pulls out - no more bombing - they leave our ships alone - blockade of Israel continues - goat herders 1: USA 0.

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    1. I've always said, in it to win it or don't get in it. Since we seem unwilling to fully engage, the only logical alternative is to leave the area and that appears to be what we're doing. I'm okay with that if we believe that the Red Sea is not a strategic issue for us. Whether that belief is correct is a separate issue.

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    2. I concur. But I dont think weve done that in nearly 85 years alas.

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    3. The lesson is that to crush an enemy like the Houthis, AirPower alone isn’t enough, and using ground forces is impracticable unless we’re prepared to accept high casualties and risk being ourselves defeated anyway.

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    4. "ground forces is impracticable unless we’re prepared to accept high casualties and risk being ourselves defeated anyway."

      Good grief, what a fear-inspired comment, divorced from any reality. Consider the current lesson of the Israelis and Hamas. Israel is conducting a semi-serious war with self-imposed limitations against an established, dug in, prepared enemy and have not suffered high casualties. Quite likely, most of Isreal's casualties have been the result of their own self-imposed constraints.

      Turn an armored division (with aviation support) loose in Yemen and the Houthis will cease to exist and there won't be any casualties to speak of.

      Too many people have grown up thinking that our limited, ineffectual conflicts are what war is and that's ridiculous. We've forgotten how devastating effective war can be if done properly.

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    5. "AirPower alone isn’t enough,"

      This is correct and we've discussed the need for true all-domain warfare.

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    6. An armored division in Yemen? I certainly hope we don't do that. The topography of Yemen is very tank unfriendly - largely mountainous and roadless, with most of the rest empty desert.
      Can you imaging the results of sending 250 Abrams tanks, plus the Bradleys and Strykers and whatever else, and supporting arty and infantry and their huge logistics tail into ambush country like that?
      They would be sitting ducks for the sort of ATGM and drone attacks that we've seen in Ukraine, where most of the MIs were knocked out shortly after they were deployed.
      Very bad idea imo.

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    7. "roadless, with most of the rest empty desert."

      You do know that's exactly what Desert Storm was, right? The Iraqis didn't think we could navigate it and they were wrong ... as you are, now.

      "Very bad idea imo."

      Which tells me two things:

      1. You haven't been reading the blog for very long.
      2. You have no grasp of proper armored tactics and combined arms operations.

      You need to study historical armored operations and learn what makes them successful and what causes failure. Then, and only then, can you form a valid opinion.

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    8. No, I haven't been reading your blog for long, but I'm finding it an interesting and insightful resource, so thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions.

      You said that “if we turned an armored division with aviation support loose in Yemen the Houthis would cease to exist”, which I disagreed with and thought was a very bad idea.

      Now you are apparently suggesting a combined arms operation; presumably by this you mean that we can defeat the Houthis by synchronized assaults by tanks, infantry and artillery, together with air support, all acting in combination.

      I am unaware of any historical examples of such an operation being conducted in similar circumstances or geographical/topographical conditions, but I would be interested if you could cite one.

      You also draw a comparison between the above and the defeat of Iraq in the Desert Storm Operation.

      These imo are not remotely comparable.

      Iraq had very large conventional armed forces which were first destroyed or demoralized by relentless air attacks, and then essentially mopped up by allied armored forces.

      The Houthis are an irregular tribal-based force, more like a part time militia, and, unlike the Iraqis, don’t operate in regular army-style formations, so will not so easily be destroyed en masse.

      The heavy fighting in Desert Storm, such as it was, was indeed mostly confined to the desert, but the Yemeni desert is completely empty, nobody lives there, and unlike in Iraq, there would be nothing there for us to fight.

      Even trying to land the necessary forces with so little sea room in which to operate would be a very hazardous operation, but even if we did manage this successfully and without losses, the Houthis, unlike the Iraqis, would most likely not attempt to stop us, or fight in a conventional sense, but would withdraw to the mountainous interior of their country, fighting us from there, and leave us in occupation a few useless strips of land along the coast, where doubtless we'd be hit by IEDs and suicide bombers, as in Iraq.

      Since sending armored columns up narrow goat tracks to attack Houthis in their mountain villages would be suicidal, I don’t see that the hundreds of 70 ton fuel guzzling behemoths of an armored division would be at all useful in a conflict with an agile and highly motivated irregular guerrilla/militia force like the Houthis..

      If we attempted such an operation it would most likely fail at a high cost in US lives from ambushes, drone attacks, ATGMs and probable aircraft losses from MANPADS, and maybe we’d lose a couple ships too.

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    9. I agree. It’s darn hard to dislodge enemy troops from mountain areas they’re familiar with.
      Remember in WW2 how paranoid Ike was after D Day about the Germans holding out for years in an ‘Alpine Redoubt’ - he diverted the whole 7th army to Bavaria to cut them off.

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    10. "Now you are apparently suggesting a combined arms operation;"

      If I suggest you cross a busy highway, the unstated implication is that you look both ways first. If I suggest an armored division, the unstated implication is that it's an intelligent, well planned, combine arms operation with total support. There is no other way to properly use a division.

      "I am unaware of any historical examples of such an operation being conducted"

      Good grief, history is full of examples. The German blitzkrieg, the North African campaigns, Desert Storm, the drive across Europe, etc. Not all had the exact terrain down to the number of grains of sand but all shared common armored operational characteristics. As the Comment Policy page notes, you, the reader, are required to have a working knowledge of basic military strategy and tactics and that includes history. Clearly, you do not. Just as clearly, you're looking for an argument rather than a discussion and a chance to learn. You might wish to consider a different blog that is more suited to your preferences.

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    11. "hard to dislodge enemy troops from mountain areas"

      On the other hand, localizing enemy forces in mountain areas is a win as they will have little or no ability to cause problems. Isolated, cut off from supplies, devoid of intel and surveillance, they'll just be waiting to die as they are slowly bombed to death.

      An enemy that retreats behind its walls (or into a mountain) is an enemy that has given up mobility, tactical flexibility, and effectiveness.

      If Houthis were stupid enough to retreat into mountains, we would thank them for saving us the need to pacify cities and towns and for grouping themselves in a concentrated location to be destroyed. Remember bombing caves shut in Afghanistan/Pakistan?

      You appear to be more interested in arguing than discussing and learning. Please read the Comment Policy page and consider whether some other blog might be better suited for you.

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    12. I wrote the second comment not the first.
      I’m ex-military.
      The comment was factual and not argumentative.
      No idea why you had a problem with it.

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    13. "I wrote the second comment not the first."

      1. Avoiding confusion is why I encourage people to add a username to the end of comments.

      2. The second comment in this thread starts: "I concur" I'm pretty sure that's not what you're referring to.

      3. As far as problems with any particular comment, I've already replied and laid out the problems to most of the comments.

      If there's something specific you want to know, just ask and I'll be happy to help, if I can.

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    14. I said it’s damn hard to dislodge enemy troops from mountain terrain that they’re familiar with.
      What’s argumentative about that?

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    15. "Lurker here."

      Comment deleted. Had you omitted the last, disrespectful sentence the rest would have been fine. Too bad. You had some misconceptions that I would have loved to point out. Feel free to repost, minus the snark and disrespect.

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  9. The South China Sea and the Persian (Arabic) Gulf are still areas where Marines on ships can work. LCS containing one rifle platoon and one UAV / Mortar / Machine Gun Platoon and some RHIBs can be used to raid the small islands where Chinese Maritime Militia set up, deny the CMM harbors, seize CMM Ships, etc.
    In the Persian Gulf, there we can raid the many Iranian speed boat bases. Having some platoons tethered to the LCSs in harbor for rapid response could be a game changer. Imagine if we had this capability to raid Socotra which is a Houthi pirate hotspot.
    The LCS needs to provide some fire support, probably with two 120 mm mortars on deck and two HIMARS pods to provide fire support for the raiding party.
    A concept like this could help bring some relevance back to the MEUs if they were forward deployed.

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  10. Unrelated. About conflict between India and Pakistan. Looks like at least 1 Rafale was shot down so will be interesting to see what missile took it down BUT what I really wanted to comment on is the number missiles apparently fired by BOTH SIDES that missed or didn't work properly, I've seen at least a dozen pictures so far of left over to intact missiles lying around in fields so back to what is a common thread here, everyone needs to test these missiles more in real conditions or train pilots to release them with parameters!

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  11. In regards to the primary subject, I agree the biggest issue is in fact the timidity of our current culture and governmental organization. If we need any proof of the value of small units of value we can see how many tanks killed by manpads in Ukraine. All naval vessels have an armory on board and with an addition of a group of marines you could include a specialist on man portable missile systems, both anti tank and anti air. With the .50 Cals and Mk19s already in our inventory, small unit action only requires a couple of things to succeed. Enough manpower to flesh out these Navy/Marine Corp teams and the will to utilize them. Equipment we have, knowledge we have . Manpower and testicular fortitude by our leadership are what we lack.

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  12. "The Saudi Arabia National Guard"

    Comment deleted. Wrong post. Feel free to repost in the correct post.

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  13. Between the Marine's Fleet Anti-Terriorism Security Teams (FAST) and the Maritime Special Purpose Force/Maritime Raid Force embedded in an MEU, we already have Naval Marines, many of which are forward deployed.

    A FAST platoon responded to the Cole bombing in 2000. Another FAST platoon deployed Libya in 2011 in response to the consulate attack in Bengahzi. In 2010, a platoon of Force Recon Marines with the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), recaptured the MV Magellan Star from Somali pirates.

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    1. While possibly useful units (or possibly not), these units do not embody the concept of the 'naval Marine' force as described in the post. The difference is that the post concept envisions a permanently embedded group combined with ship's crew that are, by definition, always on scene wherever the ship is and can instantly take advantage of any emergent opportunity. They are an ad hoc group (though with training) instantly available.

      There is nothing wrong with FAST, Force Recon, or any other dedicated unit except that they are, by definition unavailable unless the MEU/base they happen to be associated with just happens to be at the right place, at the right moment. They are also part of a large host/parent group which makes them somewhat cumbersome and public.

      The units you describe and the ad hoc units of the post are two entirely different entities which would, generally speaking, serve two different purposes. That doesn't necessarily make one better than the other - just different.

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    2. Usefulness depends on the situation and what level of skill is required to deal with the situation. Conducting VBSS is something any ship can do with some training. Recaputuring a hijacked ship or doing something clandestine, requires personnel with much more training.

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