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Monday, November 11, 2024

Chinese Prototype

Naval News website has an article about a Chinese experimental (prototype) unmanned, or optionally manned, small combatant surface vessel.  Here’s a description of the vessel:
 
The new imagery confirms a substantial vessel in trimaran configuration. The ship is armed with at least four vertical launch cells, equipped with multiple sensor panels likely for an electronically scanned array and additional sensors, and a sizeable aviation pad at the rear supporting a VTOL UAV. An organic UAV capability could support the USV particularly in over the horizon (OTH) -targeting for maritime and land attack-roles.
 
If previously shown models of a slightly different configuration are indicative, the design may contain further weapons in recessed bays, including an autocannon on the bow, and torpedo launchers at the sides. Forward of the four missile cells is a notable square area which may incorporate further missile cells.[1]

The vessel is an evolution or refinement of a previous version built in 2019. 
 
The article indicates that the manufacturer currently retains ownership of the craft and that the Chinese navy has not yet expressed any interest in procuring the design.
 
It is possible that the main purpose of the prototype is to assist in international marketing but, regardless, there is no better way to persuade your own government to buy your product than by building a prototype.
 
Chinese Prototype Combat USV
 
I’m not going to discuss the actual combat capabilities because that’s pointless without a CONOPS to reference against.  Still, there are a few noteworthy aspects to this.
 
Manufacturer’s Dime.  All indications are that the vessel was built by the manufacturer, at their cost.  This was once routine in the aviation industry and should be revived as standard practice.  Of course, there’s a limit to how much prototype cost a manufacturer can absorb.  A $20B prototype aircraft carrier, for example, is simply not feasible.  However, producing aspects of a $20B prototype carrier is perfectly reasonable.  For example, that new gravimetric warp launch catapult that is planned to replace the non-functional EMALS should be built and installed on a second hand cargo ship for at sea testing under realistic operating conditions.  That gravity-nullifying, instantaneous, matter transporter that will replace the finicky Ford weapon elevators should be installed on a used, throwaway cargo ship to prove it works before including it in a production design.  Those kinds of prototype costs are within the financial capacity of a builder who is steadily producing $20B+ carriers and, if they aren’t, that alone should be a giant red flag about cost, reliability, and scheduling. 
 
Testing.  It should go without saying but I’ll say it anyway since the Navy seems oblivious: prototypes are invaluable for both demonstration purposes and as a developmental aid.  Build, test, and feed the results back into the design before you commit to production.  China gets to see what works and what doesn’t without committing to something like a massive 55 LCS program before the first ship was even designed.  If/when the Chinese navy wants to build the vessel, both they and the builder will know what the strengths and weaknesses of the design are and can incorporate modifications into the design, as needed.  The LCS, by comparison, was already deep into the production run before the first lessons learned had a chance to feed back into the design process and the result is half a dozen or so LCSes have already been retired and several more are on the chopping block.
 
Cost Estimates.  A prototype hugely reduces the uncertainty about the cost of a new ship.  It should!  You just built it!  You now know exactly what it costs.  Now you can realistically work on cost reductions.
 
 
Conclusion
 
Again, it seems blindingly obvious but I’ll say it anyway.  There is nothing but good that can come from the routine construction of prototypes.  As noted, the use of prototypes provides the ability to wring out the problems from a design and develop very accurate cost estimates.  The manufacturer benefits from an increased likelihood of obtaining a production contract for an existing vessel.  The mere fact that the vessel already exists is a major selling point.  Manufacturers should be eager to build prototypes.
 
Of course, as noted, there is a limit to the amount of money a manufacturer can spend on a prototype with no guarantee of a production contract.  When a prototype gets too big and too expensive for the manufacturer to absorb the total cost, the government can provide partial payment (not full payment!).  The key is to force the manufacturer to put skin in the game.  This encourages higher quality to increase the likelihood of sales and reduce the cost of quality related reworks.  It also motivates the manufacturer to engage in ruthlessly efficient cost cutting and eliminates the practice of continuous change orders.  When you’re building a ship on your own dime, you suddenly become intensely interested in minimizing costs and getting the most bang for your buck as opposed to the perverse, reverse incentives we now have where the manufacturer gets paid more money for poor quality (via reworks) than they do for good quality (no reworks).
 
We should do this for every new ship class.  Build a single prototype, test it thoroughly, and then, and only then, consider a production contract.  The Navy will never do this so Congress should mandate this approach by law.with criminal penalties associated for failure to comply.
 
 
 
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[1]Naval News website, “Chinese Experimental Aviation Platform And Combat USV Emerge In Detailed New Imagery”, Alex Luck, 7-Nov-2024,
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/11/chinese-experimental-aviation-platform-and-combat-usv-emerge-in-detailed-new-imagery/

14 comments:

  1. How do you know that this is not funded by PLA? PLA has history to build prototypes until they are satisfied. One example is their destroyer 051, 052, 052B (only built 2 for each). finally 6 052C were built. Only evolved to 052D, then, mass production.

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    1. "How do you know that this is not funded by PLA?"

      I don't, for certain. How do you know it is?

      Now that we've gotten that pointless exchange out of the way, consider two things:

      1. I didn't state that the government didn't pay for it. I stated, " All indications are that the vessel was built by the manufacturer, at their cost."

      2. The article stated that the builder retains ownership and that the Chinese navy has expressed no interest in it. Those two facts strongly indicate that the builder paid for the vessel. If the navy had paid, they'd take ownership and have a strong interest in it.

      It seems quite logical, therefore, that the builder paid out of pocket for the vessel, hence my statement that "All indications" are that the builder paid. Simple. Logical.

      Further supporting the belief is that the examples you cited were all taken by the navy and put into service - as would be expected for something the navy paid for.

      This one ... the builder paid for. Simple. Logical.

      Do you have any other thoughts about the prototype or prototypes, in general?

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    2. Besides who pay for this, key is whether PLA is interesting to this idea. There is no secret that PLA pursues unmanned weapons at much faster pace than rest of the world. I would like to see if PLA thinks such big UAV is a good idea or not - on whether they equip in large number or not. Unfortunately, if not, usually, PLA won't tell the world reasons behind their decisions but you can be sure that there are some drawbacks.

      We cannot just say a weapon concept (i.e., UAV) is good or bad. It also depends on what you actually make. You can make lots of useless UAV or make some actually perform desired works. We cannot assume that military industry complex can do whatever. Harsh reality is that their capabilities are limited.

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    3. " It also depends on what you actually make."

      No. It depends on how you intend to use it.

      "Harsh reality is that their capabilities are limited."

      Again, no. Our industrial base can make anything we want. It's just a matter of someone being willing to pay for it.

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    4. So, seems like an unmanned vessel needs to be completely free of any communication link to start.

      Then it must be able to defend itself, or be really hard to find. Doesn't that lead to something below the surface, and then what's it good for? I'd think not reconnaissance, because that means it has to transmit what it finds - a link that can be intercepted or broken. So how about simply carrying mines to place? Program it to go to a certain location, release the mines, and return. Do we have better ways to mine harbors? Can harbors be easily defended from this type of threat?

      I wonder if surface UAV's are by and large a dead end.

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    5. I realize that's completely off the real topic of prototyping. Sorry - who wouldn't want to build something and test it before committing to many (present US Navy excepted).

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    6. "I realize that's completely off the real topic"

      That's okay. I don't offer that many open posts so feel free to bring up something off topic from time to time. Maybe I need to do more regular open posts?

      "seems like an unmanned vessel needs to be completely free of any communication link "

      No, that's no possible unless we have Terminator level AI and, even then, we need some degree of coordination communication. What we need is communication that is designed to be extremely minimal and 'stealthy' to the extent possible. For one vision of how this would work, see, Piece It Together.

      An unmanned asset may give away its own location when transmitting which emphasizes the need to the asset to be expendable - meaning cheap and easily/quickly produced. For example, instead of sending one uber expensive surveillance UAV out, whose loss we can't afford, flood an area with a hundred cheap (less capable) UAVs and accept that we'll lose many of them but some/enough will survive to accomplish the mission of surveillance and transmission of the MINIMIZED surveillance data.

      "how about simply carrying mines to place?"

      We examined this concept with the Navy's ORCA and quickly concluded that the tiny number of mines a UUV could carry make it a nearly pointless exercise. The only way to make it worthwhile is to build a UUV large enough to carry hundreds of mines but then you're talking about a multi-billion dollar unmanned submarine and you can't afford to risk that on any worthwhile mission (plus, the opportunity cost of billions of dollars!).

      "I wonder if surface UAV's are by and large a dead end."

      Until someone comes up with a viable and USEFUL CONOPS - which I haven't seen yet - unmanned surface vessels would seem to have little or no purpose.

      The closest I've seen to a viable CONOPS for a USV is the arsenal barge and even that carries with it more problems than benefits.

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  2. Hm. Looks as if we might have suckered them into going down the LCS rabbit hole.

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    1. They don't build a lot before first one deemed working. Let's see how will PLA or their coast guard use it.

      China has been using drone ships to patrol important coastal infrastructure, for instance, the bridge link Hong Kong, Macau, and Zhuhai.

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    2. "Let's see how will PLA or their coast guard use it."

      You noted, I hope, that the Chinese navy has expressed no interest, as yet?

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    3. Main purposes of use unmanned drone ships, I think:

      1. Removal risk of human lives
      2. Cost reduction

      Usually, drone ships are small. There is a serious problem - cannot operate under rough sea conditions which are very common. Small missile boats cannot launch missiles under even moderate rough sea conditions as it will bring serious risk to the ship.

      US doesn't operate any small missile boats. China has stopped type 022 productions more than 10 years ago. Only nations have money problem deploy small missile ships to operate in their coastal regions.

      Both US and China explore ways to operate UAV ships to operate 7/24 under most, if not all, sea conditions. There is no surprise that both find out that they need to build larger ones.

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  3. There was the Zumwalt subscale prototype for seakeeping.
    There was a land based AGS, they tested, it didn't reach spec
    and the Navy built the ships anyway.
    Aviation still builds prototypes, the Jet Zero's Blended Wing Body , has two subscale models, some company money, some government money. (NASA is interested in the aerodynamic bits, so they put up some money)
    In the real good old days Vickers would build private venture destroyers that out preformed the current RN destroyer, and get contracts that way.

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  4. Its helicopter deck is a round plate. This design actually reduces landing area thus not adopted by most ship. My guess is that this round deck can rise/down so can launch multiple helicopters from its hanger. It carries multiple drones to conduct different task. It is a trimaran which aims to increase its stability, especially in rough sea conditions.

    It is important to find out its network capabilities but we cannot find out from its picture. Since it is displayed in the Zhuhai airshow, you can check its description to find out. Also, from satellite image taken, we found only 4 VLS. This unusual giving its size. Perhaps there are more or its missions don't require more. Hopefully, we can also find its aims from manufacturer during this show.

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  5. Information from last week's Zhuhai Airshow indicated that PLA has purchased this UAV ship.

    Still, no reports on why there are only 4 VLS while previously displayed small model showed 12 VLS. Giving its size (~500 ton displacement), its fire power and air defense are not great. This might be what PLA wants this UAV to perform reconnaissance and anti submarine missions (my guess).

    For large navies (US, China), no need to have one ship performs all missions. You cannot blame a particular ship's low fire power if its main mission is reconnaissance. Since displayed model showed 12 VLS, PLA may purchase others with more VLS.

    Next interesting thing to watch is this kind ships' network capabilities - if multiple ships can form a network to conduct patrols and battles. Drones from this ship can patrol large area and search submarines. Other drones can do reconnaissance to search large area. Others can conduct other missions.

    Giving Zhuhai Airshow's main purpose is to sell products, let's see if nations with money like Saudi, UAE, ... etc. will buy them. China is not generous toward nations like N. Korea or Iran which has no money to buy.

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