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Monday, January 22, 2024

LUSV Arsenal Ship

The Navy appears to be designing the Large Unmanned Surface Vessel (LUSV) to be a poor man’s arsenal ship.  Is this concept valid?  Let’s examine the idea.
 
Recall that the Navy envisions the following roles for the large (LUSV) and medium (MUSV) unmanned vessels as:
 
LUSV – missile shooter;  16-32 VLS
MUSV – sensing (ISR)
 
LUSV Concept Image

As a reminder, while the word ‘large’ appears in the label, the LUSV is actually a very small vessel with a very limited vertical launch capacity. 
The Navy envisions LUSVs as being 200 feet to 300 feet in length and having full load displacements of 1,000 tons to 2,000 tons, which would make them the size of a corvette (i.e., a ship larger than a patrol craft and smaller than a frigate). The Navy wants LUSVs to be low-cost, high-endurance, reconfigurable ships with ample capacity for carrying various modular payloads—particularly anti-surface warfare (ASuW) and strike payloads, meaning principally anti-ship and land-attack missiles. Each LUSV could be equipped with a vertical launch system (VLS) with 16 to 32 missile-launching tubes.[1]
The ships will have little or nothing in the way of sensors or defensive weapons other than what might be loaded in a VLS cell, such as the ESSM missile.
 
Similarly, the original arsenal ship concept envisioned a barge-like vessel with no function other than carrying and launching missiles – a missile barge, in essence.  The missile capacity has been suggested as being anywhere from a hundred to a few thousand VLS cells, depending on whose specific design one looks at.
 
At first glance, there would seem to be nothing wrong with the LUSV concept and much to like.  A small vessel – low cost, one presumes, thanks to its small size – with a significant supply of extra missiles allowing other ships, such as the Burke, to stay in a fight longer (assuming the LUSV cells contain anti-air missiles) or allowing for massive land attack strikes.  Further, with no crew, the operating costs should be very low and the vessels can be used in high risk situations and missions since they’re unmanned.
 
What’s not to like?
 
Well, before we celebrate the Navy’s brilliant vision, let’s just take a few moments to move beyond the sales brochure claims and examine the concept in slightly more detail.
 
 
Missile Capacity.  A Burke has 96 VLS cells so the additional 16-32 cells represent a 17%-33% additional capacity compared to the Burke.  That’s nice but is it tactically significant?
 
In the anti-air (AAW) role, we’ve already noted that a task force with, say, one to three dozen escorts (in war, no task force will put to sea with anything less!) already has 1,152-3,456 VLS cells with, realistically, 2,300-6,700 anti-air missiles, depending on the mix of Standards and quad-packed ESSM.  Will an additional 16-32 cells offer any significant contribution to that firepower?
 
If a task force has already expended three to several thousand AAW missiles, it’s mission has long since been over and the ships are likely at the bottom of the sea.  Of course, no enemy could possibly muster three to several thousand attacking missiles that would require that staggering expenditure of defensive missiles.
 
So, it would seem that an LUSV has nothing significant to offer to the AAW function.
 
What about land attack?
 
We’ve seen that the US used some 60+ missiles to conduct a very limited strike on an undefended Syrian air base (see, “Syrian Tomahawk Strike”).  Logic suggests that a full strike on a defended base would require something on the order of a few hundred or more missiles to ensure success.  For sake of discussion, let’s assume a strike of 300 cruise missiles is required.  A single LUSV could contribute 5%-11% of the required missiles.  In other words, it would take 10-19 LUSVs to conduct such an attack.
 
 
Missile Inventory.  Closely related to missile capacity is the issue of the Navy’s missile inventory.  Best estimates are that we already have several times more VLS cells in the fleet than we have missiles to fill them.  That being the case, why would we want to build more cells?  What will we fill them with?  If every cell in the fleet was filled and we have several thousand missiles left over then, maybe, you’ve got the slimmest of justification for building a small, unmanned missile barge but we are a universe away from that situation.
 
 
Cost.  One of the LUSV claims is that it is a low cost way to bring additional firepower.  However, according to Navy budget documents, the LUSV will cost around $250M-$300M and that’s the Navy’s estimate.  Every Navy cost estimate is significantly understated.  The true cost will likely be closer to $500M. 
The Navy’s FY2024 budget submission programs the procurement of production LUSVs through the Navy’s shipbuilding account, with the first LUSV to be procured in FY2025 at a cost of $315.0 million, the next two in FY2026 at a combined cost of $522.5 million (i.e., an average of about $261.3 million each), the next three in FY2027 at a combined cost of $722.7 million (i.e., an average of $240.9 million each), and another three in FY2028 at a combined cost of $737.2 million (i.e., an average of about $245.7 million each).[1]
On Station.  This is not a technical consideration but it warrants a discussion because I hear it so frequently.  There’s a school of thought that likes the idea of an arsenal ship (or LUSV) because its missiles will allow other ships to ‘stay on station’ longer.  Of course, this is idiotic and reveals an utter lack of understanding about how navies fight.  Ships in combat don’t ‘stay on station’.  They don’t sit in one piece and slug it out, day after day, with the enemy, fighting to ‘stay on station’.  Staying in one place is how you get found, attacked, and die.  Ships sortie, execute a specific and relatively brief mission, and then return to base.  There is no station to stay on!
 
 
Security.  Despite being an unmanned vessel, the LUSV, when armed with multi-million dollar missiles, would have to be guarded 24/7 by other military forces.  We’ve already seen multiple examples of other countries seizing (or attempting to seize) our unmanned assets with no repercussions.  Now, we may be willing to lose a UAV or small underwater glider but I would hope we draw the line at conceding the seizure of a missile armed asset.  Therefore, the LUSV will require constant guarding by manned units.  That being the case, is the unit really unmanned if it requires a constant manned presence hovering over it?
 
 
Operation.  The LUSV will require near constant communications and telemetry.  In war, constant communications offers the enemy a simple location fix.  Even supposedly secure line of sight comms are nowhere near as secure as is commonly assumed, according to military communications personnel I’ve talked to.
 
There’s also the issue of maintenance.  No machinery – and any ship is  just a collection of machinery – is maintenance free.  Normally, the routine maintenance would be conducted by the crew and emergent repairs would be handled by the crew.  Who conducts the maintenance and repair of the LUSV?  If we don’t provide regular, routine maintenance then logic would suggest that the vessels will have to be frequently returned to a base or tender for repairs that the non-existent crew did not perform.  That makes the LUSV availability poor.  In peacetime, that’s an annoyance.  In war, that’s leaving a task force partially crippled especially if the Navy comes to depend on them … which they will.  You know the Navy won’t simply – and correctly – use the LUSV as an augment to regular ships but will, instead, begin to use them as replacements for regular ships out of pure institutional stupidity and mental laziness.   This is analogous to GPS which was not used to augment manual navigation but, instead, replaced manual navigation skills which led to our current vulnerability and loss of skills.
 
 
Conclusion
 
What we’ve just discussed is, essentially, the considerations that would go into a Concept of Operations (CONOPS) if the Navy were to ever do one … which they have not and will not.  You know … just build it and get it in the hands of the sailors and they’ll figure out what to do with it.  That’s what passes for a CONOPS in the Navy, today.
 
What these considerations suggest regarding a CONOPS is that there is no viable, combat-useful role for the LUSV.  The weapons load of 16-32 VLS cells is tactically insignificant, the Navy lacks the missile inventory to fill the cells, the communications requirement is a detection vulnerability, the maintenance and logistical support requirements are problematic, and the cost is excessive for the marginal combat value of the vessel.  There is simply no combat value to be had from the LUSV.
 
Interestingly, although we did not discuss it, there might be some combat value to the MUSV although the communications requirements remain problematic in the extreme for a sensor platform.
 
The Navy is fixated on unmanned vessels for reasons unfathomable.  If I had to guess, I suspect the Navy’s fixation stems purely from the desire to eliminate crew costs which is a peacetime accounting consideration and is the last and worst justification for a combat platform.
 
The Navy would be much better served by focusing on single function, manned ships (AAW or strike, for example) that can act independently under EMCON conditions which is how a war will be fought.
 
 
 
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[1]Congressional Research Service, “Navy Large Unmanned Surface and Undersea Vehicles: Background and Issues for Congress”, Ronald O’Rourke, R45757, 20-Dec-2023

36 comments:

  1. "Interestingly, although we did not discuss it, there might be some combat value to the MUSV although the communications requirements remain problematic in the extreme for a sensor platform."

    Wouldn't a UAV be able to be at least as good a sensor platform at a lower cost. The UAV may have lower persistance but that can be made up for with greater numbers to allow for rotation of assets.

    "We’ve seen that the US used some 60+ missiles to conduct a very limited strike on an undefended Syrian air base (see, “Syrian Tomahawk Strike”). Logic suggests that a full strike on a defended base would require something on the order of a few hundred or more missiles to ensure success."

    While I'm definitely an advocate of land attack capabilities, if you don't have sea control covered you're shooting yourself in the foot by investing in a capability that will get itself murdered (glass cannon). Amphibious assaults are the main users of persistant on the call land attack. Raids like in Syria can be done cheaper with techniques like Rapid Dragon. Until sea control happens major land attack from ships and amphibious assaults are a luxury item.

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    1. "Wouldn't a UAV be able to be at least as good a sensor platform at a lower cost."

      No, or rather, it depends on what specific surveillance task is being attempted. Both platforms have advantages and disadvantages.

      The MUSV has the advantage of persistence, as you noted, regardless of weather which is a huge advantage. It also has much higher 'powered' sensors both in terms of actual electrical power and size of sensor receiver elements. It also has on-board computing and analysis, at least to some degree.

      The UAV has the advantage of speed, height (field of view), low cost (greater numbers), low operating cost, and disposability.

      So, it depends on what specific task it's being asked to perform.

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    2. "Until sea control happens major land attack from ships and amphibious assaults are a luxury item."

      Land strike is certainly debatable, at least to some extent. However, there will always be the need to strike relatively isolated fixed targets especially in the Pacific where any island is, by definition, an isolated target.

      I would also note that SSGNs, with 154 missiles each, offer a means of substantial strike without the need for sea control. An SSGN is almost impossible to detect, especially using a cruise missile with a thousand mile standoff capability.

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  2. "a task force with, say, one to three dozen escorts [...] already has 1,152-3,456 VLS cells. [...] Will an additional 16-32 cells offer any significant contribution to that firepower?"

    Why are you comparing a single support unit with literal dozens of frontline combatants? A single ANYTHING is an insignificant contribution to that firepower. The 96 cells of a Burke are insignificant compared to 3,000 cells and yet the task force is likely made up of Burkes. A better comparison would be $/VLS cell, which is about equal to a Burke up front but likely much lower in the long run due to lower manning costs.

    "For sake of discussion, let’s assume a strike of 300 cruise missiles [...] would take 10-19 LUSVs to conduct such an attack"

    And then the LSUVs could RTB/re-arm, leaving the surface combatants to conduct their primary mission of sea control. The LSUVs could also be expended in an attacking where the Navy would not risk manned ships.

    "Missile Inventory, why build more cells"

    Because the lead time on ships is far longer and the scalability of missile production is much higher. Given adequate funding, the US could easily triple missile procurement within a couple years. That's not possible with ships, so they have to be built sooner.

    "They [ships] don’t sit in one piece and slug it out, day after day, with the enemy, fighting to ‘stay on station’. Staying in one place is how you get found, attacked, and die."

    You seem to be confusing tactical and operational movement here. Yes, ships do not remain in the same exact spot but many wartime missions do require a sustained presence in a general area (see the history of operations off Guadalcanal). Ships do often RTB after large battles, but smaller combatants especially have a historical record of engaging in many small skirmishes over a long patrol. Sticking a couple tugboats of VLS cells behind a Burke could give the ship's captain more freedom to engage targets of opportunity (enemy shipping, OP/LPs, etc) without depleting his ship's combat power.

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    1. "Why are you comparing a single support unit with literal dozens of frontline combatants? "

      Of course numbers matter. A thousand LUSVs would certainly constitute a major strike capability. I'm comparing the incremental addition of 16-32 VLS cells to what a task force would have. You can multiply the 16-32 cells times however many you wish but, until you get into ridiculous numbers of LUSVs it doesn't really change the premise.

      "leaving the surface combatants to conduct their primary mission of sea control."

      No, that's not the primary mission. "The seat of purpose is on the land." The primary mission of the Navy is to affect the land. One element of that is to engage enemy ships (although that may better be an Air Force mission) but the primary task is to exectue missions that support the land effort, whatever that is. Ships don't just roam around the ocean for months on end.

      "Given adequate funding, the US could easily triple missile procurement within a couple years."

      No. It takes years to build and commission new factories and even longer to do so for factories producing complex technology. For example, marketplace.org cites a MINIMUM $10B and 5 years to build a new computer chip factory.

      Far more problematic is the raw material situation. We currently have little or no national rare earth production capacity It would take several years to a decade to establish a significant mining and refining capability.

      We're currently struggling - and failing - to increase weapon production in support of the Ukraine conflict.

      "Ships do often RTB after large battles,"

      They ALWAYS do. As WWII amply demonstrated, ships execute missions and then return to base ... always.

      "targets of opportunity"

      By definition, these targets are rare and do not significantly deplete a ship's firepower. The entire point of a warship IS to deplete its combat power because that means they've accomplished something. WWII submarines didn't go out on patrol to conserve their torpedoes. They went to expend them and, if they were fortunate enough to find enough worthy targets, they'd happily return to base early for more torpedoes. Having some sort of torpedo reload capability wouldn't have kept the sub on patrol any longer as they were already provision-limited and crew endurance-limited.

      "Guadalcanal"

      You need to study your history. Few, if any, ships fought more than one battle around Guadalcanal. They rotated in, executed a mission/battle and, if they weren't sunk, rotated out for rearming, replenishment, and repair.

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    2. The numbers dont convince me this is a good idea. Four of the LUSVs give us the same VLS count as a Tico, and cost nearly as much as a new Flt III Burke. We could certainly strip the ASW components off a Burke to free up space/weight for the extra cells to reach the Ticos 128. Then we'd have a ship with a crew that can perform maintenance, repairs, and damage control. Plus it cant be spoofed, hacked, jammed, or otherwise inactivated the way a USV potentially can. The ONLY plus to the 5 LUSVS vs one DDG/CG i see is that theyre distributed platforms, but even thats negated by the fact the LUSVS cant protect themselves.
      This is just a way for the Navy to avoid paying for sailors... But I think its going to cost much more in the long run when we lose a conflict due to poorly thought out choices in procurement.

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    3. "This is just a way for the Navy to avoid paying for sailors... But I think its going to cost much more in the long run when we lose a conflict due to poorly thought out choices in procurement."

      I'm morbidly certain you'll be proven right in the near future. US government and military leaders' disregard for the men and women they lead, has allowed their organizations to fall apart.

      Just look at the services' problems with recruitment and retention! Anyone think an unmanned ground vehicle will be any good helping Ukraine retake Crimea and the Donbas?

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  3. It is funny that you could buy a new feeder-class size cargo ship for less than $20 million that is almost the size of a Burke and the Flight II VLS system costs something like $60 million if that is all you wanted. They'd still find a way to double those line items in random stuff, of course. There might be something like 30-40 sailors at a minimum, which is practically unmanned. But you get an "unmanned" arsenal ship with 96 cells for $200 million. And even with all that bloat one load out of missiles would cost more than the ship!

    VLS cost is on page 1-139

    https://www.secnav.navy.mil/fmc/fmb/Documents/17pres/SCN_Book.pdf

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    1. Why does everything need expensive VLS systems. If it's a cheap expendable system use low cost box launchers instead.

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    2. I don't disagree in principle, but do you have credible cost estimates for these lower cost box launchers? When I look at pictures of the MK-147 it doesn't look less sophisticated than an Mk-41. And it appears the Marines are using a variant of the MK-41 for their land-launched missiles rather than a "low-cost box launcher." So much of the cost is in development and overhead so sometimes just making more of the thing you have lowers costs a lot where developing something new is expensive. I'd be curious where the truth lies.

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    3. Production lead time for a VLS is 2 years...wow, that seems like a long time for something that appears to be relatively "simple" compared to the missile it fires....

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    4. "box launcher'

      I don't know what you envision this being. Perhaps you'd describe it for us?

      BAE has proposed something called the Adaptable Deck Launcher which is, in essence, a VLS mounted at an angle, above deck. It's a 'box' launcher of sorts. It has some significant disadvantages, however.

      "MK-147"

      I'm not familiar with that and a quick Internet search didn't turn up anything. Got a description or a link to some info?

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    5. Meant the Mk-143, my mistake.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_Box_Launcher

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    6. I was thinking of the old ASROC/BPDMS type box launchers for something trainable, or just a set of rails for containerized type systems (ie. Exocet/Harpoon style).

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    7. "I was thinking of the old ASROC/BPDMS type box launchers"

      Bear in mind that the ASROC launcher was around 15 ft long whereas a Standard or Tomahawk missile is 20+ ft. A box launcher would be quite a bit larger than the old ASROC launchers.

      Similarly, the Mk141 launcher handles 15 ft Harpoons. A 20+ ft rack launcher would, again, be quite a bit larger causing weight and stability issues.

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    8. It's a good point that some combination of a commercial hull (cheap, available production lines, reliable, small crews) fitted with VLS launchers would probably accomplish many of the stated goals better and cheaper. It's still a bunch of compromises, less capable than a real warship in most regards. But if we could solve for the VLS conversion and add some SeaRam/Phalanx mounts it might be a more reliable and cheaper way to add hulls and missile cells to the fleet: a half-baked arsenal ship. It certainly seems like a better idea than the LUSV, which is just an expensive basket of problems and liabilities looking for Congressional funding.

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    9. I think the main point still stands that there is no point in buying more VLS cells if you don't plan to buy more missiles. The 5" guns in the same budget document are around $20 million each. Even buying several of those or ponying up some development money to bring back 8" guns would add a shore bombardment capability the Navy currently lacks at a similar cost.

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  4. Midrats got into some of this yesterday. Big premise is cheap ship to hustle missiles so the combatant with all the ISR stays forward. There is the basic Conops. Literally squire for the knight. https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/p/questioning-the-carrier-with-jeff

    I'd go further and start designing a small, tightly defended manned command ship and start building ships for each major sensor role. At least insofar as the surface fleet.

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  5. As an ex marine engineer and heavy equipment mechanic, let me say that you can't just hit the start button on a diesel marine plant and go. The are sequential start steps you have to do to get going, plus the maintenance involved even underway. Last ship I was on had a so called automatic control system. Spent more time working on the auto system than the propulsion plant. Most of the time we just bypassed the auto system and ran everything the old fashioned way by hand. Way better and easier as you could "tweek" the machinery to where it performed best. In my opinion auto systems are more prone to failure and higher in maintenance.

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    1. The Navy has put out a RFP for a robot that wield a 3lb Birmingham screwdriver, to address SRB concern.

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  6. Key question - how many missiles a set of sensors (various radars, etc.) can operate for desired time period.

    A battle ship may not carry enough missiles thus need "trailers" to carry more.

    Both US and China have explored idea of arsenal ships but not one been made. Battle fields are complicated more than we can image.

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  7. Forgive my ignorance, I'm not an engineer, but if we start with Ticonderoga, and remove most of the equipment not essential to the VLS (radar, sonar, helicopter hangar, guns, torpedoes, crew accommodation, etc), wouldn't you be able to fit 128 VLS in a 2,000 ton hull?

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    1. Yes, but it wouldn't be new shiny enough for the navy bigwigs.

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    2. Was always under the impression that most of USN leadership was against the Arsenal ship.....and the only thing LUSV can do right now is be a small Arsenal ship...that doesn't inspire a lot confidence into USN decision making. So we against it until we are for it?!?

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    3. "wouldn't you be able to fit 128 VLS in a 2,000 ton hull?"

      Well, that would be a very small vessel. For comparison, the Freedom variant LCS is 3900 tons and you'd be hard pressed to fit 16 VLS cells in it. You're suggesting a vessel 1/2 - 2/3 that size.

      You're correct that removing everything that isn't directly related to cells would make for a significantly smaller vessel. Of course, there is much more related to the VLS system than people realize. You need communications gear, ?sensors? (unless you're envisioning a pure, remote function barge that gets its targeting from some other platform hence, the extensive comm gear requirement), utilities (power, cooling, etc.), firefighting, and so on. If the vessel is to be manned you need the entire range of berthing, food storage and prep, water storage, sanitation, and so on. Manned or unmanned, you need engine rooms, air intakes and exhausts, etc.

      So, 128 cells in 2000 tons? Doubtful but the concept of a stripped down vessel with a single purpose is perfectly valid (and preferred!), regardless of what exact size that results in.

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    4. Thanks Commander, appreciate the reply. You are right - steel is cheap (and cheaper, single-purpose ships have clear advantages, as you have previously discussed).

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  8. As a french man, I have eventually concluded that the US DOD budget is too big for it's own good. I feel that the lack of hard budget constraints encourages a form of laziness in a) strategic design, b) procurement strategy and c) execution.
    LCS, Zummwalt, Constellation... the retirement of SSGN without proper replacement.. (just to take US examples).
    My english is too poor to let me write long comments, but as a foreigner the unability of the US to use it's huge financing engineering/power to produce an overwhelming advantage on the battelfield is both worrying and baffling.
    Of course some programs seems to be managed just fine (B21, PAC3, the new Booker light tank, Virgnia sub maybe) but I am afraid too many industriel failures will one day cost the US (and the West) dearly. Thank you for your blog, always a pleasure to read !

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    1. @JNX. 100% right. MIC is just like the banking system: too big to fail and too much easy money sloshing around leads to bad decisions and never any repercussions...

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    2. "I feel that the lack of hard budget constraints encourages a form of laziness"

      Spot on!

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  9. Sorry but there is nothing that does not require maintenance, especially in a salt water environment. Will there be a maintenance crew on standby somewhere when it goes dead in the water? Drones fly out for a day come back and are checked out repaired if needed, or they crash. PS love this site!

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    1. How maintenance hands on is a crew on an SSN/SSGN/SSBN in regards to the propulsion plant?

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    2. "How maintenance hands on is a crew on an SSN/SSGN/SSBN"

      Is this a trick question? They're 100% on-board maintenance. They go on months long patrols and there is no place to pull in for maintenance. They do their own maintenance or they drift.

      What were you really asking?

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    3. How much nuke maintenance is internal to the actual power plant vs periphery to it?

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  10. Why not use the LUSVs as a screen operating 50 miles or so from the main body. Loaded with SMs and ESSMs, they could fire on incoming missiles and aircraft that much sooner and from a direction that might surprise an enemy.

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    1. In order to operate 50 miles from the controlling ship(s), those ships would have to communicate constantly. In combat, broadcasting continuously gives the enemy a free fix on you.

      LUSVs have no targeting sensors of their own. A controlling (Burke?), 50 miles away, would be out of line of sight and would have only high altitude radar available for search and targeting. Sea skimmers could not be engaged.

      An E-2 Hawkeye could help but that would mean a carrier would be present and the carrier's aircraft can search and attack much farther out than an LUSV so there would be no point to the LUSV.

      50 miles from the main body, LUSVs would be simple target drones for enemy submarines.

      I just don't see any viable CONOPS for an LUSV.

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  11. Anytime the Navy gets the words "reconfigurable" into their lexicon I cringe. Seems we heard that over and over again with the LCS, and we all know what came of their "Reconfiguration".

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