Armor is actually a system of components that contribute to
the overall physical protection of the ship.
Since this blog abhors uninformed opinions, let’s examine one aspect of
ship armor and see if we can’t educate ourselves.
We’ve already discussed the general purpose of armor (see,
“Armor for Dummies”) and noted that its purpose is not to provide total
immunity to every weapon past, present, or future. While armor often is designed to provide a
degree of immunity to a specific set of weapons under a specific set of
conditions, the larger purpose is to mitigate damage. That missile/shell that hit your ship doesn’t
have to mean a sunk ship or instant mission kill if you can mitigate the
damage and that’s what armor does: it mitigates damage.
I am not an armor expert, by any means, but it is important
to grasp the basic concepts. To that
end, let’s take a look at the use and function of transverse armored
bulkheads. Transverse bulkheads are
simply ‘walls’ that span the ship from one side to the other. They go across the ship (transverse) as
opposed to running the length of the ship (longitudinal).
The term ‘armored’, in this case, refers to the totality of
the thickness of the bulkhead, the type of steel used, the structural design of
the bulkhead, and the conceptual armoring design of the bulkhead.
It should also be noted that commercial and naval transverse
bulkhead construction and governing rules may not be the same although there is
a great deal of overlap. Commercial
bulkhead standards are readily available on the Internet, for those interested.
Friedman’s book on U.S. cruiser design provides an excellent
description of the development of armor within the Des Moines class cruiser (see, “Des Moines Class Cruiser”) and,
specifically, the use of armored bulkheads:
There
could be no hope of stopping very heavy guided bombs with deck armor, but if
the ship were divided with heavy transverse armored bulkheads within the
armored box, the fore-and-aft extent of damage would be limited. The available tonnage would buy four 2.5-in
STS [Special Treatment Steel] bulkheads, which would stop even the heavy nose
fragments of a 16-in shell and would certainly limit damage by even a 3,000-lb
armor-piercing bomb. Bulkheads within
the five armored zones so defined would probably be shattered by a large bomb,
but the ship would remain afloat, since her floodable length would exceed the
size of the compartment thus breached.
The
heavy bulkheads were set between the no. 1 and 2 turrets; the no. 2 turret and
the forward main machinery group; the two main machinery groups; and the after
main machinery group and the no. 3 turret.
As a consequence, the ship could be expected to survive one major
armor-piercing bomb hit without losing more than on turret or one main
machinery group (boilers and turbines), unless she suffered the mass detonation
of a magazine. That was unlikely,
because in the two relevant cases – the Boise, which suffered a shell hit, and
the Savannah, a bomb hit – severe fires in the magazines were extinguished by
flooding through holes in the shell plating before powder fires had built up sufficient
pressure to cause an explosion. The same
heavy bulkheads would localize the effect of a torpedo hit; they represented a
major advance in U.S. cruiser protection. (1)
We see, then, that the multiple transverse bulkheads
separate the ship into multiple ‘boxes’ assembled end to end. One can easily imagine that a single ‘box’,
having been breached by an explosion, may well flood but the adjoining boxes
will remain intact, thus preserving the ship’s overall integrity and buoyancy.
It should be noted that such transverse bulkheads were
generally not penetrated by doors, cable runs, etc. below the armor deck. Thus, they had no weak points for leakage in
the event of flooding beyond whatever holes might be physically torn in them by
an explosion. You’ll recall that it was
exactly this weakness and failure which lead to the recent sinking of the
Norwegian frigate whose compartments had multiple penetrations which turned out
not to be watertight.
The passages above vividly describe the main function of
armor which is to mitigate damage. Too
many observers mistakenly believe that if armor cannot provide total immunity
to every known or future weapon then armor has no value. As we see from the description, the value of
armor lies as much, or more, in mitigating damage, ensuring ship survival, and
keeping the ship in the fight as it does in providing immunity to attacking
weapons.
Of course, the armor does provide immunity to a certain
range of weapons, depending on the design and weight of the armor. Generally and loosely, ship armor was
intended to provide immunity to weapons equivalent to its own under a defined
set of conditions: for example, a
battleship was designed to be immune to an enemy battleship’s guns, a cruiser
was designed to be immune to an enemy cruiser’s guns, and so on. The immunity was not total but depended on
range, angle of impact, location, etc.
Again, generally, an immune zone was established in the ‘center’ of the
ship where the critical magazines, guns, and machinery resided. Outlying areas, like the bow and stern, were
much less armored since they contained less critical equipment and functions.
The point of this post is not to debate the exact thickness
of some bulkhead or the exact location or number of welds in a bulkhead. In fact, there are many variations on the
general scheme. The point is to
understand that armor is more than just a giant piece of steel bolted onto the
side of a ship, as so many people believe.
Ship’s armor was a system of various components – the side armor belt
being one of them – that functioned together to prevent or mitigate
damage. Understanding the various
components and what each contributes to the overall armor protection scheme
allows us to see the purpose behind armor and why modern ships should also be
armored. Nothing has fundamentally
changed, over the years, about combat, battle damage, explosive weapons, or
ship survivability and yet we’ve completely abandoned armor. Does that make sense? We’re now sending mutli-billion dollar ships
into combat where a single hit will likely sink the ship and almost certainly
render it a mission kill, at least. Is
this really wise, given the cost and time required to replace a ship lost in
combat?
We should also note that transverse bulkheads are just one
component of the overall armor scheme.
Other components include bomb deck armor, main deck armor, void spaces,
belt armor, citadels, collapsible sections, etc. The overall system of armor is what made WWII
warships so resilient to battle damage.
It is long past time to re-incorporate armor into all of our
ship designs.
(1)“U.S. Cruisers, An Illustrated Design History”, Norman
Friedman, Naval Institute Press, 1984, ISBN 0-87021-718-6, p.360
Burkes have 5 double plated, blast hardened bulkheads. Seems they applied the lesson cited.
ReplyDeleteWell, one part of it, maybe. Do they also have a bomb deck, armor deck, side armor, armored citadel, armored gun mount, armored VLS (VLS may be armored to some degree, as I understand it, but not from above), torpedo void spaces, etc.? I truly don't know. If you have any information, let me know!
DeleteAlso, do you know if the bulkheads are solid or penetrated? The whole point is to be solid.
Interesting and coincidental timing, as tranaverse frames caught my eye yesterday. While reading more about the Bonhomme Richard fire, I came across a diagram of the ship. It was a basic plan but what struck me was the frame numbers only went to 129. My ship, at 580 ft long, had over 170. Why would a larger ship, which will see more extreme conditions and potential damage, be so much more lightly built?? I understand this is apples/oranges, since they are different classes of ship. But i think it reflects the difference in ship theory, and that somewhere between my ship and the BRs design is when the WWII lessons were cast aside...
ReplyDeleteArmor and the internal armor provided by bulkheads are two things that the Navy has abandoned to its future detriment somewhere along the line.
ReplyDeleteThe Royal Navy took to the Falklands both older ships designed to WWII or near-WWII armor and damage control standards, and newer ships designed to less stringent armor and DC standards. Four of the older ships took significant hits and stayed afloat. Four of the newer ships took significant hits and went to the bottom.
I haven't looked at that but it would make a fascinating post for some enterprising author. Just saying ...
DeleteThe newer RN ships in Falklands and the Richard Bonhomme has aluminium superstructures. Aluminium both melts easily and burns easier.
DeleteMy understanding is that the H.M.S. Sheffield had a steel hull and superstructure. Aluminium melts at a far lower temperature than steel, but still well above what humans can tolerate.
DeleteWikipedia's article on HMS Sheffield states that the superstructure was all steel. However, I have read other reports that claim it was aluminum. Obviously, one of the two claims is mistaken. I don't know which.
DeleteDid somebody say Falklands?
DeleteWhile the Royal Navy does not usually make details about steel grades/compartmentalization/etc public domain, we do have the public salvaging report from the end of their lives.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/583153/DSA_ship_recycling_report_Gloucester_Edinburgh_York_Web.pdf
Each ship's scrapping resulted in 3000 tonnes of "ferrous metals" (ie steel), and 150 tonnes of nonferrous metals (non-steel). Thus they were built from steel.
Clarification: The above source is for the Batch 3 Type 42 destroyers, a later variation of the Type 42's sent to the Falklands, such as HMS Sheffield. It is reasonable to assume that they didn't change the composition of the hull between batches. The Type 21 frigates lost in the Falklands were constructed with steel hulls and aluminium superstructures, however.
DeleteThis is an interesting article about armor protection against torpedos http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-047.php. The German battleships in WW2 hit mines all the time. It generally delayed them by ½ an hour.
ReplyDeleteIn European design they use some of the same techniques. Wide passageways next to the hull to absorb blast and allow easy access to pipes and wires.
The Zumwalt's use VLS next to the hull. It makes me queasy to imagine HE and rocket fuel as armor.
Just a note, modern torpedoes are often designed to explode under the ship as opposed to WWII torpedoes which generally had to strike the side of the ship, albeit often well below the waterline. How this changes modern torpedo defense armor is unknown although I have speculated on it in various posts.
DeleteThe Zumwalt's VLS is above the waterline and is unlikely to be a factor in torpedo hits. They will, however, become a major factor in missile hits. As you know, the VLS is designed to vent the force of an explosion outward. I have my doubts about that unless the inner armor of the cell is amazingly strong. If it is that strong, that it can shrug off missile hits and the accompanying simultaneous sympathetic detonations of the cell's missile, then we should be applying the armor to every ship! Since we're not, I assume the VLS 'protection' is mostly marketing spin.
(Don McCollor)...both the US and Germany had magnetic exploders designed explode under the ship. I believe they were so unreliable (prematures, duds) that both went back to contact ones. The USN had trouble with those too (inadequate testing), with the torpedoes running much
Deletedeeper than set, and not exploding if striking at an angle rather than dead on...
Could sypathetic detonations from a strike act as sort of a ERA for ships? Mitigating thr boast from enemy fire?
Delete"Could sypathetic detonations from a strike act as sort of a ERA for ships? Mitigating thr boast from enemy fire?"
DeleteInteresting thought but I suspect not. A sympathetic detonation occurs AFTER the initial, triggering explosion so the initial explosion damage would already have largely occurred.
Reactive armor, in contrast, is designed to explode as nearly simultaneous to the initial penetration as possible. Sympathetic detonations take time (on a relative basis) to generate enough heat or overpressure or whatever the trigger is, to develop and initiate.
I suspect that it's more likely that the sympathetic detonation would direct even more energy/pressure inwards through whatever hole the initial explosion made.
All of the above is speculation on my part.
ERA is to breakup a shaped charge burn. Electrical currents can also do it. ERA is for RPG7 and missiles not guns which use penetrators of some sort.
DeleteTanks have 800 PSI water things that can quench an explosion in the hull.
Delete"Tanks have 800 PSI water things that can quench an explosion in the hull."
DeleteI'm not a land combat person and I've never heard of this but I'm fascinated by the engineering. Do you have a link to any information on this?
To defeat explosive reactive armor, many antitank weapons, Javelin included, use a tandem charge warhead. The first charge defeats the explosive reactive armor with the second charge penetrating the tank's hull. In other instances, the first charge is used to weaken or destroy the outer layer of armor allowing for greater penetration by the second charge.
DeleteI believe that the checked the Zumwalt was the best protected USN surface warship as it did have steel armor between the inner hull and the VLS. If a missile ever did explode., most of it's blast would deflected toward the external hull. And give a limit number of missiles in each group that blast would be smaller.
ReplyDeleteOTOH the armor on a Tico and Burke is wrapped around the VLS forcing most of the larger blast into a confined space, most likely damaging the hull below the waterline.
The problem with armor weight is it creates discontinuities is weight distribution which increase the force place on the hull by under water weapons. This is why lighter type of armors like Kevlar is better that old fashion steel.
"Zumwalt was the best protected USN surface warship as it did have steel armor between the inner hull and the VLS."
DeleteI've seen conflicting reports on this. Most reports seem to agree that there is some kind of thicker 'wall' between the VLS cell and the inner hull. Whether that's armor in the conventional sense or just a thicker wall is unclear. I've seen reports suggesting a thickness of anywhere from 3"-6". It seems extremely unlikely that it would be conventional armor. I'm inclined to believe it's more likely a conventional wall with a Kevlar lining or some such arrangement.
Regardless of the exact design, the protection would appear to be only between the cell and the inner hull. Thus, the protection would be from the upper deck to the bottom of the VLS, presumably 26 ft vertically down from the upper deck which is right about at the waterline. For the forward VLS, it does not provide any protection for the hull below the waterline. For the after VLS, which are a deck level lower, the protection would extend around 10 ft below the waterline.
It should be noted that the VLS is concentrated in a 70 ft band in the forward section and a 45 ft band in the aft section. Thus, the ship has the VLS protection for 115 ft of its 620 ft length which is 18% of the ship's length.
There is no documented protection for the decks, superstructure, hangar, or remaining hull sides.
So, let's not get carried away with thinking the ship is 'armored'. It's not. In fact, the total linear feet of VLS protection may be less than the total for a Burke/Tico which has protective walls wrapped around all four sides (and the bottom?) of the VLS cell clusters. I'm not sure because I haven't bothered to add it up.
Thus, any claim that the Zumwalt is the best protected ship in the fleet is highly suspect.
My understanding of the Burke/Tico VLS protection is that it directs the force of any blast upward rather than in or down. How effective that really is, is unknown as is the effectiveness of the Mk57 VLS.
"The problem with armor weight is it creates discontinuities is weight distribution which increase the force place on the hull by under water weapons. "
DeleteThis is pure nonsense. A ship's hull structure is designed to handle and distribute the ship's weight evenly.
"This is why lighter type of armors like Kevlar is better that old fashion steel."
DeleteThis statement is highly suspect. Kevlar is lighter than steel but is not identically equivalent in properties or performance as armor. For example,
"... although it has very high tensile (pulling) strength, it has very poor compressive strength (resistance to squashing or squeezing). That's why Kevlar isn't used instead of steel as a primary building material in things like buildings, bridges, and other structures where compressive forces are common."
This suggests that Kevlar is not a suitable material for armor against large missiles and large explosions. Kevlar is typically used as an anti-fragmentation protection.
Even in personal body armor, Kevlar is supplemented with steel plates for maximum protection.
I've always felt that the issue of armored bulkheads, and lots of them, is way, way too much overlooked by the Navy. Keeping damage from spreading keeps a lot of ships afloat. Then inability to do so sinks a lot of ships. Ask Norway.
ReplyDeleteThere I one other advantage of having lots of armored bulkheads, particularly for modern warships.
ReplyDeleteSteam plants were heavy, and thus provided a lot of low weight, which is good for stability. Diesel, and particularly gas turbine, plants are lighter. Couple that with the proliferation of air and surface search electronics located high on the ship, and many new ships have high weight issues. Adding armored bulkheads in the hull create low weight to offset the high weight. As a simple exercise, take the weight decrease from the power plant and add that back as armored bulkheads, and you enhance both stability and survivability. You give up maybe 1 or 2 knots, but in today's world of long-range sensors and stand-off weapons, speed ain't what it used to be.
"You give up maybe 1 or 2 knots"
DeleteNO YOU DON'T!!!!! Why does everyone continue to think that? Don't make me cite the endless list of WWII armored warships that had 30-35 kt speed. You don't give up ANY speed if you design the ship properly.
Don't ever say this again!
But those WWII ships had very different hull forms.
DeletePhysics says that if you add weight, you lose speed. You can make up the speed with power if necessary.
"But those WWII ships had very different hull forms."
DeleteHence, the statement, "if you design the ship properly."
People, today, seem to think that designing a heavily armored ship with great speed is magic and unattainable. IT'S NOT. What more do you (the big 'you', not you personally) need besides the evidence of history. We've already done this. It's not even debatable - it's an established fact that was repeated over and over. Good grief!
"Physics says that if you add weight, you lose speed. You can make up the speed with power if necessary."
DeleteMake sure you've done your homework!
The Atlanta class cruiser is an approximate size equivalent to the Burke. Atlanta was 540 ft long and 7400 ton displacement versus Burke at 510 ft long and 9500 ton displacement.
Atlanta had 75,000 ?shp? and a speed of 33 kts. That's 2272 hp/kt and 10.1 hp/ton.
Burke has 105,000 ?shp? and a speed of 30 kt. That's 3500 hp/kt and 11.0 hp/ton.
Thus, the Atlanta was armored and had equal speed as the Burke despite less relative 'power'!
Proper ship design. We've simply forgotten how and we've forgotten how routine it was.
Note, I'm unsure exactly what type hp measurements are being reported but I don't think it changes the conclusion.
But that's exactly the point. They're two different hull forms. The Atlanta class had a 54 foot beam, the Burkes have 66 foot beams. So the Atlanta length to beam ratio is over 10:1, while the Burke is less than 8:1. Another way, the Atlanta displacement to length ratio is 13.7T per foot, whereas the Burke is 18.6T per foot. Those are two very different hull forms, and driving them through the water are going to be two very different propositions. The Atlanta hull is going to be faster and probably have longer range for the same fuel burn. The Burke hull is going to be more stable, which means a better weapons platform, a better helo platform, and more room for stores and repair and maintenance and, yes, habitability. the Burke hull might actually have longer total range because it can carry more fuel. Those are just all basic physics. It introduces tradeoffs, and we have gone with the latter. You can argue for the former if you like.
DeleteI agree that any difference in ho measurements is irrelevant to the discussion.
"They're two different hull forms."
DeleteDid someone say they were identical? I've said, a couple times now, that you have to properly design the hull to get armor and speed and that it's an easy thing to do since we did it routinely.
"the Burke hull might actually have longer total range because it can carry more fuel. "
Wiki cites the Burke as having a range of 4400 nm at 20 kts and the Atlanta as 8500 nm at 15 kts. Power/range is not linear but I'm pretty sure the Burke isn't going to double it's range by dropping 5 kts. The Juneau class, which was a near-twin to the Atlanta, is cited as having a range of 6,440 at 20 kts - far superior to the Burke. The WWII ship designs uniformly had much better range/endurance AND armor and speed. We've simply forgotten what we were once capable of.
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Delete"I've said, a couple times now, that you have to properly design the hull to get armor and speed and that it's an easy thing to do since we did it routinely."
DeleteIt's an easy thing to do if armor and speed are the only two things you want. But that long, skinny hull is going to roll a lot. And maybe you don't want that if you're trying to operate helos, or if you have a lot of electronic gear that doesn't like being bounced around a lot, or if you want some room for storage or repair and maintenance facilities or, frankly, habitability. It's all tradeoffs.
You may disagree with at least some of the tradeoffs that the Navy has made, quite frankly so do I. Actually, one of the big problems I have with the Navy is that they aren't willing to make tradeoffs and they try for perfect instead of good enough.
"or if you have a lot of electronic gear that doesn't like being bounced around a lot,"
DeleteSo, we can install all manner of electronic gear in an aircraft that undergoes violent 7g maneuvers but the comparatively gentle rolling of a ship will threaten delicate electronics? Does that really sound right to you?
" or if you want some room for storage or repair and maintenance facilities"
WWII ships had far MORE maintenance and fabrication shops than today's ships.
"that long, skinny hull is going to roll a lot"
And yet, all of our WWII ships managed to operate just fine. Are you sure you're not exaggerating this stuff just a bit?
"tradeoffs"
There's only one tradeoff that matters a whit and that's when you start trading off combat capability for fluff, whatever that fluff may be.
I don't know why but some people simply want to refuse to acknowledge that not only did we build highly effective WARships in WWII but they were better suited for combat than anything we have now. Instead of trying to defend the crap designs that pass for warships today, we should be re-learning and re-applying the lessons of WWII.
It's all a matter of tradeoffs. I can build you a very fast ship that's absolutely worthless--an LCS. Speed, armor, and damage control are primary considerations. Others would include firepower, sensors, range, and yes, habitability.
DeleteAll of them contribute to combat capability in some way. Like it or not, ships that aren't very habitable are not going to attract and retain electronics technicians who can make late 5/early 6 figures on the outside, I don't care how patriotic they are. Would AEGIS/AMDR work better if we could retain better techs? Absolutely.
In this day of long-range sensors, standoff weapons, and helos and drones, speed is not as critical as it used to be. Armor and damage control are. I am not defending our current ships that are lightly armored and light on damage control.
This whole discussion started with my saying I'd give up 1 or 2 knots to get proper armor and bulkheads, which would also help address the high weight problem we are seeing with lots of modern designs. It was not a defense of modern designs, or a longing to go back to WWII designs. If you add more weight--high or low--to the same hull form, it will get slower. If you change the hull form, you can get more speed, but you surrender something elsewhere.
Obsession with speed is how we got the LCSs. It's also how we got the Newport "LSTs," which were able to get a dry ramp on something like 3% of the world's beaches. Sometimes other things matter more.
That's as far as I ever intended to go with this, and this snipping back and forth about speed has gotten out of hand.
Nobody said you said they were identical. If that sounds a bit snippy, sorry, I don't mean it that way.
ReplyDeleteLike everything else, there are tradeoffs. The ideal length to beam ratio for speed is 10:1, like the Atlantas. About 8:1 gives more stability and a smoother ride, which is better for helo ops and a lot of electronic gear and, yes, habitability. It also means more room for supplies and workshops and repair shops, which enables keeping the gear in better operating condition.
My point was that with lighter Diesel or gas turbine engines, compared to steam plants, and high weight of electronic antennas and equipment, a lot of 1970s and 1980s ships had high weight instability issues. Armored bulkheads in the hull would help with that problem.
i didn't really intend to get into a speed discussion.
Sounds like you are both right. My vote is a 10:1 with armor. If more room is needed, make it longer. If ships in the past relied upon guns and functioned with rolling, then I’m guessing missiles should be fine. Modern electronics (solid-state drives and etc.) should function well too. Putting billions of dollars worth of equipment and our precious people into tin cans is, in my opinion, ridiculous.
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