tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post7651688829656466994..comments2024-03-28T04:22:28.228-07:00Comments on Navy Matters: Navy Rescinds Ship Service Life ExtensionsComNavOpshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-18900273053222708172020-03-13T19:37:48.281-07:002020-03-13T19:37:48.281-07:00The LCS has ruined the letters L, C and S for acro...The LCS has ruined the letters L, C and S for acronyms involving naval vessels. The LSC should be immediately renamed. <br />Contenders for the new program name?<br />DUHs - Destroyer Universal Humanitarian ship - for the navy that wants to do everything.<br />F***s - Fast Universal Combat Killer ship - It's Fast! Wait that's the LCS.<br />A**HATs - Advanced Surface Ship Humanitarian Assault Target ship. -For the navy that wants to do everything and be a good target for adversaries.<br />CRABS- Cruiser-Radically Advanced Battle System. It's advanced and a system.<br />DRABS- Destroyer- Radically Advanced Battle System. See CRABS but a destroyer!<br />michael woltmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16719963700565405955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-50025862949135874762020-03-12T07:45:51.205-07:002020-03-12T07:45:51.205-07:00The LSC problem, at the moment, is that the Navy h...The LSC problem, at the moment, is that the Navy has absolutely no idea what they want from the LSC. I've seen concept suggestions ranging from a 'family of vessels' instead of single ships to giant size cruisers to just an enlarged Burke and all kinds of other ideas. The Navy is utterly lost about the concept so much of the delay is due to the lack of clear concept of what they want. They know they want something but they don't know what. It's a pretty pathetic showing from our supposed professional warriors.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-8897714053664249132020-03-12T06:22:22.261-07:002020-03-12T06:22:22.261-07:00LSC program replacement for Tico & Burke
In 2...LSC program replacement for Tico & Burke<br /><br />In 2018 CNO Adm Richardson called for LSC contract award in 2023 with delivery ASAP, Richardson retired Aug 2019. <br /><br />March 2019 program start year slipped to 2025 <br /><br />Only four months later, August 2019, pushed back to 2026 or later "Program Executive Officer for Ships Rear Adm. Bill Galinis told USNI News today that the Navy is now looking at 2026 or possibly later to begin the Large Surface Combatant."<br /> <br />Confirmation LSC now kicked into the long grass, USNI news, Rear Adm. Gene Black OPNAV N96/Surface Warfare at SNA 2020, LSC program start now planned for late 20's "as part of a new lower-risk approach", if holds expect first LSC IOC 2035/6?Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12567148391327455726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-34938503295254056092020-03-11T21:21:03.586-07:002020-03-11T21:21:03.586-07:00Short of taking up arms against the government, wh...Short of taking up arms against the government, what are we supposed to do to fix it? Most of the people making the decisions aren't elected, and anyone that we do elect becomes corrupted almost over night. Mathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07539193399759840787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-48922731903060642932020-03-11T19:30:57.814-07:002020-03-11T19:30:57.814-07:00I sometimes think the US is just too rich.
You can...I sometimes think the US is just too rich.<br />You can only tolerate this kind of madness if you have too much money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-34606084678889685022020-03-11T18:58:51.028-07:002020-03-11T18:58:51.028-07:00I would imagine that the Navy uses thinking by ana...I would imagine that the Navy uses thinking by analogy versus thinking by first principles so they don't have any idea what they could pay for various products and add features that do not make the product better.<br />Most people use thinking by analogy and it works just fine, but when you fail as often as the US Navy maybe a little more rigor in thought is needed.<br />Analogy thinking- The Nimitz aircraft carriers cost $8.5 billion and the Ford will have a 30 percent greater sortie rate so $11 billion sounds about right. When it cost $15 billion, that was to be expected with the first ship.<br />First principle thinking- Ship to support X number of aircraft requires. Structural material to construct ship.-- Steel- 100,000 tonnes x $1,000 per ton =$100,000,000, Copper X tonnes , paint x gallons, Labor to turn raw materials into product, etc. You look at what is used to make the product at a basic (first principle) level and work at trying to reduce the cost of turning the raw materials into the finished product. If raw materials used to construct Ford cost $1,300,000,000(estimated number- no clue what it is for sure), the design and engineering teams are tasked to use the least amount of resources (material, labor, time etc) to convert the materials into the product. First principle design may call for larger plates so there are less welds, a corrosion resistant alloy that does not need painting, or forgo steel because the strength needed can be supplied by some other material at less cost while meeting all the design objectives for an aircraft carrier capable of supporting X number aircraft.<br />Thinking by analogy in the Navy is doomed to produce more failure because no one is identifying the CONOPS (first principle).michael woltmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16719963700565405955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-10348556422006752412020-03-11T15:52:00.705-07:002020-03-11T15:52:00.705-07:00Do not worry the all powerful all everything Lcs a...Do not worry the all powerful all everything Lcs and Zumealt classes will be restarted to make up for the retirement of the BurkesD M Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07944039365612613761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-79049338824380544272020-03-11T12:46:28.239-07:002020-03-11T12:46:28.239-07:00It seems the Navy just cut Super Hornet production...It seems the Navy just cut Super Hornet production, in the midst of a fighter shortfall, to fund the future fighter program. Thatd be fine too, the the program was actually "accelerated" and mandated a flying prototype in 2 years or so... But itll probably be more like 10 yrs to first flight, and combat capable in numbers about the time the last Nimitz gets its SLEP... (or when Fords are actually functional)...Jjabatiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15723421088164000364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-80627687786188971802020-03-11T11:11:05.423-07:002020-03-11T11:11:05.423-07:00I always wondered if it were possible there to be ...I always wondered if it were possible there to be a special track for top leaders where they have to leave DoD for a few years to see how it's done outside DoD. Maybe just too much group think and stuck with looking at military specific topics, go to private sector in a field you dont know. Would help breaking up the sceloris. Just a thought. NICOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567491909555759918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-88534668060475640972020-03-11T11:06:34.372-07:002020-03-11T11:06:34.372-07:00CNO, I was using a bit of sarcasm to make the poin...CNO, I was using a bit of sarcasm to make the point,<br />that what you see as bad decisions, rate as reasonable to best of a bad set of choices decisions to the USN.<br /><br />John D.<br />I think the Navy needs a lot more realistic testing from the tactical to operational level. Seems the Navy is planning in a open feed back loop, no one really knows how all these systems are going to interact with each other.Chinese Gordonhttp://www.naa.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-49620506296700683592020-03-11T10:52:01.302-07:002020-03-11T10:52:01.302-07:00The Naval Academy teaches them the Navy Way of doi...The Naval Academy teaches them the Navy Way of doing things. Most of their problems seem to be in figuring out how the changes in technology and society should change the Navy Way. <br /><br />They often seem to be guessing, or clinging to fashions that they've heard about. Do they actually need a broader base of education and experience, outside the "defense community"? John Dallmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01184719865727491672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-77765541155971537262020-03-11T10:39:47.357-07:002020-03-11T10:39:47.357-07:00"It isn't Navy in the Mahanian understand..."It isn't Navy in the Mahanian understanding of the term, so whats is the USN up to ?"<br /><br />I don't know whether you're being sarcastic but, regardless, you bring up a point that's bothered me from the start. Navy leadership makes absolutely, astoundingly bad decisions on a regular basis but I find this baffling. These are not inherently stupid people. You don't graduate from the Naval Academy unless you're pretty intelligent. So what happens between being a smart Academy graduate and an absolutely idiotic Navy leader?<br /><br />Sure, we like to attribute it to being bought off by big defense firms dangling sweet retirement jobs and that likely is a factor but these people are at least moderately patriotic and combined with their intelligence, they should be capable of making reasonable decisions. Despite this, even the non-defense industry related decisions (like manning, ship design concepts, maintenance, etc.) which shouldn't be affected by retirement concerns, are routinely bungled. Why? How?<br /><br />How does a group of Navy leaders, smart and semi-patriotic, get together and make the worst possible decisions on a regular basis? I can't believe they list all the options and then consciously choose the worst one. What happens? I have no idea. I can observe their actions (all bad) and predict their future choices (all bad) but I can't explain it and this bothers me. I'm supposed to be able to analyze and explain but this proclivity for bad decisions from smart, motivated people leaves me baffled.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-2520366808424591482020-03-11T09:31:25.455-07:002020-03-11T09:31:25.455-07:00Nah, the Navy is doing a superb job,
our mission ...Nah, the Navy is doing a superb job, <br />our mission on this blog is to figure out what that <br />job is. It isn't Navy in the Mahanian understanding of the term, so whats is the USN up to ?Chinese Gordonhttp://www.naa.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-27395994409038230922020-03-11T08:23:39.222-07:002020-03-11T08:23:39.222-07:00Agree wholeheartedly. So now, even the lie to cove...Agree wholeheartedly. So now, even the lie to cover the lie of "deployment" in 2022 is a lie!!! It's sad and I hate saying it but the only way US military to get fixed, is to get our asses kicked hard. We are beyond mere small changes, this is deep rooted crap that only defeat can change.NICOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567491909555759918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-63708701507327719082020-03-11T04:24:01.297-07:002020-03-11T04:24:01.297-07:00Remember that Ford was delivered incomplete which ...Remember that Ford was delivered incomplete which is the Navy's way of bypassing Congressional budget limits, so they're still completing physical construction. Also, the weapon elevators aren't scheduled to be working until 2021-22 (the Navy hopes!) and the combat system has yet to be completely installed and tested. EMALS and AAG have not been debugged and made workable yet. Shock tests are supposed to be performed in the next year or so. And the list goes on. So, the ship can't deploy. It sounds like they'll use the carrier qual job to help complete, test, and debug the ship. There's nothing else the ship is capable of doing.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-6459863384285036202020-03-10T18:48:31.870-07:002020-03-10T18:48:31.870-07:00Wow,wow,wow, Im no navy historian or expert, just ...Wow,wow,wow, Im no navy historian or expert, just avid reader of military books and US Army experience BUT this sounds wrong somehow:<br /><br /> "...Towards the end of this year, Modly said, “Ford will become the primary training carrier for recertifying air wings as well as the student pilots from Pensacola, Florida. Pilot students will be coming over to do their stuff off Jacksonville, Florida, for that. It’s going to be very busy and contributing to readiness across the fleet.”<br /><br />I don't think Ive ever read or recall stories where the newest baddest USN carrier.....becomes your training carrier?!?!? Has that happened in the past when the newest carrier becomes a training carrier, isn't that the job of OLD RETIRING carriers in the past? Hopefully this is just temporary BUT sure seems weird to me....<br /><br />https://defaeroreport.com/2020/03/04/modly-carrier-ford-continues-progress/NICOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567491909555759918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-53102305925612954252020-03-10T18:42:06.854-07:002020-03-10T18:42:06.854-07:00Yeap, never saw this one coming:"...Despite f...Yeap, never saw this one coming:"...Despite funding shortfalls, Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly recently said that the Navy should really be planning for a 390-ship fleet, based on its unreleased Integrated Force Structure Assessment. Sec. Modly then went farther, saying, "the number is like 435 with unmanned in there."<br /><br />Sure, let's go 435, number is bigger than puny 355, right?!?<br /><br />REALISTICALLY, it'll be 350 unmanned USV (useless and untried) with 100 manned warships, manly FFXs (untried), few remaining LCSs (useless), remaining run to death dog tired Burkes DDGs and 8 CVs, maybe less, some 25+ or so SSN? Oh yeah, China is freaking out when they hear about this USN plan!!!<br /><br />https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2020/03/10/435_ship_fleet_is_the_new_355_for_the_us_navy.htmlNICOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567491909555759918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-30337997544714734432020-03-10T18:28:49.155-07:002020-03-10T18:28:49.155-07:00Related to this, it seems the Ford class may get c...Related to this, it seems the Ford class may get cut at four. Im fine with that, as I think they are inherently fragile, and should be followed on with more Nimitzes. What scares me is Secretaries that are impressed with the L-platform "carriers", and think they are worthwhile... <br />Jjabatiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15723421088164000364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-80739688709057605792020-03-10T16:38:44.478-07:002020-03-10T16:38:44.478-07:00It is very easy for the military leadership and Co...It is very easy for the military leadership and Congress to tolerate when the military suppliers are funding their retirement plans. <br />Mathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07539193399759840787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-66455518103493227172020-03-10T14:54:01.767-07:002020-03-10T14:54:01.767-07:00"It would end careers."
Or, as we call ..."It would end careers."<br /><br />Or, as we call it in the US: promotions!ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-60714446241977142172020-03-10T14:48:58.653-07:002020-03-10T14:48:58.653-07:00It's amazing the waste that the US military is...It's amazing the waste that the US military is willing to tolerate.<br />In most countries this kind of thing would be a national scandal. It would end careers.<br />It almost feels like the US military is a racket to shake down Congress for money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-23416268482699769152020-03-10T13:51:17.581-07:002020-03-10T13:51:17.581-07:00"The problem is no one is planning on how to ..."The problem is no one is planning on how to actually win a war, and what it needs to do that."<br /><br />As you say, the Navy isn't doing it so it falls to you! What victory conditions set your requirements and how would you suggest meeting those requirements?ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-57640751376807870702020-03-10T12:19:42.094-07:002020-03-10T12:19:42.094-07:00The problem is no one is planning on how to actual...The problem is no one is planning on how to actually win a war, and what it needs to do that.Pavewayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05233002665257654346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-22559160534541089642020-03-10T10:05:44.544-07:002020-03-10T10:05:44.544-07:00355 was always BS. US just doesnt have the spare p...355 was always BS. US just doesnt have the spare production to increase that much over current rates PLUS added the years of deferred maintenance and crumbling yards and docks...forget it. It's all window dressing, what's really happening is MAJOR REDUCTION of the fleet, replacing DDG that have some value with small FFX or smaller USV isnt increasing warfighting capability, it's just making the numbers however USN can. Pathetic. NICOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567491909555759918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-23614805847481652322020-03-10T09:50:48.667-07:002020-03-10T09:50:48.667-07:00The newest word has the LSC coming in 2026-ish... ...The newest word has the LSC coming in 2026-ish... But it certainly wont be in the numbers needed to replace the Burkes. Along with the slashed FltIII and FFG procurement, it seems as if theres no actual support for growing the fleet, to 355 or any other number... The life extension was a farfetched plan to begin with, and historically its got no precedent. Not sure whats going on recently, but it seems as if the Navy is all over the place, and is bumbling, rudderless, with no clear plans in place...Jjabatiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15723421088164000364noreply@blogger.com