tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post6086942824539258087..comments2024-03-28T07:56:09.239-07:00Comments on Navy Matters: Confusion and TrainingComNavOpshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-2932490778828679772015-04-22T14:28:22.025-07:002015-04-22T14:28:22.025-07:00There's actually a pretty big report from one ...There's actually a pretty big report from one of the defense reformers published in 1980. <br /><br />http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a111544.pdf<br /><br /><br />It's a lengthy read, but it's shockingly relevant today, especially when it comes to cost overruns. It has become clear that in the past 40 years (and the author began this in the late 1970s), not much has changed. <br /><br />Anyways, like the last one, let me know what you think.AltandMainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01014823246265859953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-84796032004868957072015-04-22T12:30:19.483-07:002015-04-22T12:30:19.483-07:00During the 1970s, there was a group of defense ref...During the 1970s, there was a group of defense reformers that argued that the trends that they were seeing would someday lead to a hollow force, unable to fight effectively, and with super-expensive, costly weapons. <br /><br />It's interesting that they've been attacked all of the time in the media, but so far, they've proved right.AltandMainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01014823246265859953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-59195810252486968742015-04-22T09:15:10.921-07:002015-04-22T09:15:10.921-07:00CNO this is a fantastically appropriate post.
The...CNO this is a fantastically appropriate post.<br /><br />The reality is that the Navy assumes that a great deal of training is actually conducted during deployments and the workups - it isn't so.<br /><br />If we want a good laugh we should direct the ready ARG to conduct an amphibious assault and attempt to physically sustain the marines from sixty five miles at sea using helicopters. We could repeat the scenario with a mock minefield between San Clemente and San Diego (simulating the Straights of Hormuz and force a carrier group to attempt to cross. Or tell the army to deploy a striker brigade via airlift, and attempt to sustain itself for 15 days using aircraft, but give the OPFOR S-3/400 missiles (Iran/Syria).<br /><br />An honest effort in any of these scenarios will illustrate how completely and totally divorced current US military from really ugly truths of war in the 21st century.<br /><br />GABAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-76540003880207326292015-04-22T08:05:45.353-07:002015-04-22T08:05:45.353-07:00Anon, please don't misunderstand me. I'm ...Anon, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not totally against simulators. They have a useful role. My objection is when the simulator is the complete and only training method. Simulators are good for mastering basics but there is no substitute for field (ocean, in this case) training. Consider the effects of simple, seemingly innocuous effects that can't be replicated in a simulator like heeling and pitching, sea sickness (!), unsure footing, days without adequate rest or meals, etc. Those all contribute to the confusion of a real battle and we need to learn to deal with them. So, let's use simulators but not as the only training method.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-39909051612253958842015-04-22T07:44:17.815-07:002015-04-22T07:44:17.815-07:00I think if your going to simulate you really need ...I think if your going to simulate you really need something like this.<br />Its just a fun little video really. Quite interesting though.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCKHvdRzmNE<br /><br />If you can command when all around you are living through that ! Then your probably a fairly good commander my son.<br /><br />Sort of automatically introduces some confusion \ garbled communications and people forgetting their basic training etc<br /><br />Just need a full CEC \ Bridge and engineering version with some smoke and all tied together.<br /><br />BenoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-36034837500834210952015-04-22T06:06:50.402-07:002015-04-22T06:06:50.402-07:00The Navy in particular can't decide what to do...The Navy in particular can't decide what to do about training. On the one hand tactical trainers (using real mission equipment and configurations) are never maintained to the current version once fielded. In addition the stimulation equipment used to drive the tactical equipment usually costs more than the system itself. And again it is obsolete once fielded. This fits in with the entire O&M shortfall the fleet is seeing. Adding realistic confusion to already obsolete trainers would just be a Golden goose for the tactical system developers that would not be funded by the Navy.<br /><br />On the other hand, effects based (not physics based) simulations for C2 systems offer an affordable alternative to tactical training equipment. Usually by a cost factor of 10. However currently C2 simulations do not address the confusion factors that you rightly point out. This is because the Navy can't figure out what affordable and good training is. It really is a religious war within the Navy.<br /><br />However, introducing confusion into team simulation trainers would be fairly easy. Dropping reports, poorly worded reports, adding noise into headsets would all be easy to do once the Navy decides it is important. Adding fire and smoke would be harder but I think would be a good addition to the "classroom".<br /><br />I agree with you completely on the need for training in a "fuzzy" situation, just don't throw out simulation trainers until we have tried them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-45787674050163596022015-04-21T20:48:18.303-07:002015-04-21T20:48:18.303-07:00Good article. Couldn't agree more. Thanks fo...Good article. Couldn't agree more. Thanks for the link.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-33669513784230352582015-04-21T15:20:33.253-07:002015-04-21T15:20:33.253-07:00Here's an article for you on this matter:
htt...Here's an article for you on this matter:<br /><br />http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/seduced-by-success/<br /><br />What strikes me as appalling is how self-inflicted so many of the problems that society seems to face are.<br /><br />Let me know what you think of the article that I linked. AltandMainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01014823246265859953noreply@blogger.com