tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post5024348460318328797..comments2024-03-28T07:56:09.239-07:00Comments on Navy Matters: Chinese Land ReclamationComNavOpshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-88556659145846659262016-05-24T07:52:24.691-07:002016-05-24T07:52:24.691-07:00The US isn't the only one with Chinese steal &...The US isn't the only one with Chinese steal "problem".<br /><br />http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ed1e2404-20ff-11e6-9d4d-c11776a5124d.html#axzz49aIxn71q<br /><br />I suspect with a bit of organisation much of the developed countries can curb ( or are indeed now trying to curb ) Chinese industrial expansion.<br /><br />Alternatives like Indian companies do exist.<br /><br />With a investment in customs and excise departments we could stem the flow of "illegal", "dangerous" or "un-licensed" goods across the EU and US that is really going to cramp their style.<br /><br />Allot of these are personal purchases from individuals, however our governments have run advertising campaigns over less. And it wouldn't take that much to tip them at this point, they are somewhat over extended.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12729830680739249692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-29957946064915744312016-05-24T06:34:55.742-07:002016-05-24T06:34:55.742-07:00Military scale trolling...I like it. At least tha...Military scale trolling...I like it. At least that way the US wouldn't have to worry about a CVN being sunk.Jay Nixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031750833658933314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-14820563380820801992016-05-24T05:40:42.262-07:002016-05-24T05:40:42.262-07:00The cost of a car is not just the steel. If the r...The cost of a car is not just the steel. If the raw material cost (steel) is more expensive than you'd like, then look for compensatory savings in the processing of the steel, the design and production of the car, the marketing and sales of the car, the transportation of the car to market, etc. <br /><br />There is a lot that can be done to lower costs by reforming (not eliminating) environmental regulations.<br /><br />Another huge cost savings would be to implement tort reform as related to the auto industry. Every exorbitant lawsuit settled against the auto industry shows up in the cost of the car. ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-58112289268581773182016-05-23T22:34:06.843-07:002016-05-23T22:34:06.843-07:00"We don't really need a UN sanction. As I..."We don't really need a UN sanction. As I notice there was a 500%+ steal tariff applied last week."<br /><br />They will appeal that to the WTO but the problem is you can wall out China, you can only wall in America<br />Its a losing strategy<br /><br />It might "save" US steel, but how competitive are US car exports if the steel they use is 6x as expensive as that used by everyone else?TrThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316335177828136131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-49428175619386462372016-05-23T19:54:35.220-07:002016-05-23T19:54:35.220-07:00Hmmm. Tariffs are good and everything, but may I p...Hmmm. Tariffs are good and everything, but may I point out the last time we messed with a belligerent country's economy, they bombed Pearl Harbor. First step is be in a position to fight a war with China before we attempt anything. For if we do tariffs on them, they may well strike out else where to recover that last income. Andrew S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-37797032566685079572016-05-23T09:48:22.561-07:002016-05-23T09:48:22.561-07:00"... we'd have to have a well thought out..."... we'd have to have a well thought out strategy."<br /><br />Of course. We would need a comprehensive package of tax reforms/incentives, labor law revisions, salary and compensation law reform, environmental law reform, etc. Tariffs, though, are a huge first step with major impact.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-56207358571456146482016-05-23T09:38:32.377-07:002016-05-23T09:38:32.377-07:00" I know its no where near as exciting as glo..." I know its no where near as exciting as global thermo nuclear war"<br /><br />You have a very interesting view of excitement.... ;-)<br /><br />The Chinese economy is in an interesting state. They have their own version of a debt crisis right now, and switching to internal consumption of their goods has been more difficult than they thought. And from what I've read their media is becoming less free than it used to, so more things are covered up from the populace. <br /><br />I think the CCP is worried. <br /><br />The overseas manufacturing jobs is a difficult nut to crack. We used tax law to make it very easy for companies to move plants there. Some are coming back on their own when they deal with inefficiency and the cost of shipping. Others... Without getting into politics lets just say it would take more than just adding tariffs on Asia if we want those jobs back in CONUS, we'd have to have a well thought out strategy. JFWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095723023404412328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-83580614560912478752016-05-23T08:41:11.551-07:002016-05-23T08:41:11.551-07:00Absolutely! Tariffs are one of the keys to dealin...Absolutely! Tariffs are one of the keys to dealing with China. This blog is about military matters so I don't address political and economic measures too much but you are spot on. Simply imposing equal tariff protections would drive our oversea's manuf jobs back to America, create jobs for us, weaken unfriendly countries, and strengthen our economy. Without question it would be more effective than any military solution in the long run.<br /><br />Excellent comment.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-6677895552728761282016-05-23T08:26:44.240-07:002016-05-23T08:26:44.240-07:00I'm still going to suggest a raft of trade tar...I'm still going to suggest a raft of trade tariffs, I know its no where near as exciting as global thermo nuclear war, but China right now has the potential to self implode if we can pull its income. They have been winding up quite a few developed countries right now.<br /><br />We don't really need a UN sanction. As I notice there was a 500%+ steal tariff applied last week.<br /><br />Probably quite a good idea to stop subcontracting all that military equipment contracts to them anyway ?<br /><br />The world second biggest economy is going to find it difficult to get bigger without the world largest economy. And empires have always risen and fallen on their purses.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12729830680739249692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-34970303296769421812016-05-23T07:00:33.811-07:002016-05-23T07:00:33.811-07:00"They claim these islands are defensive, as s..."They claim these islands are defensive, as so far they are."<br /><br />Really? What characteristic makes them defensive as opposed to offensive? ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-34410801608501682012016-05-23T06:54:37.792-07:002016-05-23T06:54:37.792-07:00"So far the Chinese have not obstructed sea l..."So far the Chinese have not obstructed sea lanes or fishermen."<br /><br />This is absolutely false. If you don't do your homework, I'll delete the comment. Please do some research and then re-post.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-8116903369485337182016-05-23T06:46:37.433-07:002016-05-23T06:46:37.433-07:00I think one of the long term goals of the Chinese ...I think one of the long term goals of the Chinese is to undermine our ability to meet our treaty obligations to our neighbors. <br /><br />I don't think we'll do anything about the existing islands. We sat on our hands too long for that. But we could help an ally in the region make their own islands. <br /><br />As to the Chinese behavior: <br /><br />You say: <br /><br />"So far the Chinese have not obstructed sea lanes or fishermen"<br /><br />The Philippines and Vietnam disagree. <br /><br />"http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-04/philippines-issues-protest-over-china-ramming-illegal-fishing"<br /><br />and <br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/world/asia/south-china-sea-vietnam-china.html?_r=0JFWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095723023404412328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-11022521007402533872016-05-23T05:08:59.779-07:002016-05-23T05:08:59.779-07:00Besides monetary reasons... That actually sounds l...Besides monetary reasons... That actually sounds like a good ideal. Build islands next to theirs could work, and we could claim the same bs rhetoric they do.Andrew S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-23113350600856906502016-05-23T02:39:51.218-07:002016-05-23T02:39:51.218-07:00Go in and build islands right next to theirs. One ...Go in and build islands right next to theirs. One cancels out the military/ strategic value of the other. A2AD works both ways.Dave Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12477700847470714144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-58785066936009471412016-05-22T19:30:05.925-07:002016-05-22T19:30:05.925-07:00The EP-3 incident is a great example. Some wanted ...The EP-3 incident is a great example. Some wanted to bomb China or land commandos to try to free them. But cooler heads prevailed and peace endured. So far the Chinese have not obstructed sea lanes or fishermen. They claim these islands are defensive, as so far they are. We don't see Taiwan, South Korea or even the Philippines taking any action, because they will suffer should a war breaks out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-4329144224001446212016-05-22T18:09:42.951-07:002016-05-22T18:09:42.951-07:00We're not risking nuclear war any more than th...We're not risking nuclear war any more than the Chinese are. That's an absolutely idiotic thing to say. <br /><br />I hear this a lot. Why do you people seem to think that the US doesn't meekly bow down we risk nuclear war but if the Chinese seize our EP-3 or construct illegal islands or engage in intimidation they are not risking nuclear war at all. <br /><br />I can't emphasize enough how stupid this line of thought is. I usually make every attempt to refrain from criticizing commenters but this is just an absurd idea that has no place in a thinking man's world or in a blog based on logic and reason. I invite you to find another blog that is closer to your level of reasoning.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-3181121219933527312016-05-22T15:19:47.856-07:002016-05-22T15:19:47.856-07:00"If we are not prepared to do so then we shou..."If we are not prepared to do so then we should leave."<br /><br />So risk nuclear war and millions of American dead, or leave, and nothing really happens.<br /><br />Leave what? We have lots of artificial islands in the Pacific, and the world still turns. I say let's live and leave them be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-87668195079976031572016-05-22T06:51:23.555-07:002016-05-22T06:51:23.555-07:00Let's keep an eye on the court-proceedings in ...Let's keep an eye on the court-proceedings in The Hague. China could lose with its claims far beyond their 200nm EEZ. <br /><br />Who'd enforce such a decision against China would be the next question. <br /><br />But these 'new' islands would make fine forward-positioned naval assets for the Philippines, apart from being Fisheries-Support Stations with SAR assets, fuel, freezers, processing facilities...<br /><br />Plus similar claims by Vietnam, Brunei etc.<br /><br />Manila's filing this complaint against China keeps the legal claims sharp. Decision due in June or soon.Trudy Schnabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02049524622772323172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-3525146792174177522016-05-22T05:27:31.645-07:002016-05-22T05:27:31.645-07:00Ships : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Inacti...Ships : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Inactive_Ship_Maintenance_Facility<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17542888764913857370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-10746250045852939542016-05-22T04:18:40.214-07:002016-05-22T04:18:40.214-07:00The world has been at peace since the 90s and the ...The world has been at peace since the 90s and the last big war ended in the 70s.<br />There simply arent huge stockpiles of used but serviceable equipment left over from the last war, the equipment from the 80s is still in front line service and sometimes falls from the sky already.TrThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316335177828136131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-80765290124103731482016-05-22T02:52:49.786-07:002016-05-22T02:52:49.786-07:00Traditionally don't you just use aid to gift o...Traditionally don't you just use aid to gift old P-3Cs and Frigates to the Philippines, maybe a LSD if you want to be more pointed? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17542888764913857370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-71693064987214377612016-05-21T21:34:02.713-07:002016-05-21T21:34:02.713-07:00Your suggestions is not short of declaring war but...Your suggestions is not short of declaring war but in effect is declaring war. China's actions are calibrated to ensure non US actions. The Obama administration has no interest in engaging in a conflict with China and China understands this point. China will continue to explore this weakness in US resolve i.e. do nothing beyond the customary statement of appeal to China. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-2804449675806416612016-05-21T16:17:01.587-07:002016-05-21T16:17:01.587-07:00I would have thought the countries like Phillipine...I would have thought the countries like Phillipines who do claim these nearby reefs take more action. All they are required to do the old fashioned method, mining the shipping channels to these instant islandsZtev Konradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06553128132098513643noreply@blogger.com