tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post4458989190398986062..comments2024-03-28T07:56:09.239-07:00Comments on Navy Matters: Syrian Anti-Chemical Weapons Strike AnalysisComNavOpshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-43857408819413188542018-04-17T06:15:22.472-07:002018-04-17T06:15:22.472-07:00For reasons that completely elude me, you seem obs...For reasons that completely elude me, you seem obsessed with the number of missiles used. I think this is the end of this pointless and unproductive topic.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-23359465999632100762018-04-17T06:13:15.014-07:002018-04-17T06:13:15.014-07:00The article is ambiguous about whether the Russian...The article is ambiguous about whether the Russians were just looking for the sub or whether they were actually able to find and track it. If the latter, that's a disappointing reflection of the British sub. <br /><br />The US had subs in the area with no indication that they were tracked.<br /><br />I suspect this is just the usual effort to look for subs and the article is making more out of a fruitless effort than there is. Of course, if that's true then it leaves the question, why didn't the British use the sub?ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-75362585763914344062018-04-17T02:48:03.490-07:002018-04-17T02:48:03.490-07:00Nope, didn't miss it but CNN is not always the...Nope, didn't miss it but CNN is not always the most reliable source and I'm always looking for additional sources to verify any information.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-18207371935876668362018-04-17T01:38:22.862-07:002018-04-17T01:38:22.862-07:00Destruction level doesn't look like 76 missile...Destruction level doesn't look like 76 missiles hit, whole place would've been flattened. It is more consistent with Russian MOD assessment (25 missiles got through).<br />One more thing - target was research facility, not CW storage or production plant. Those were second and third target. 76 missiles for research facility is too much overkill, even if heavy resistance was expected. <br /> 22 missiles for CW storage sounded about right, some with HE and some with thermobaric warheads to burn out whatever CW were left in storage. <br /> Burying the bunker with few Scalp missiles is not as effective but if it contained some chemical weapons trying to dig them out could be dangerous to personnel trying to do it. This could be enough to prevent such attempt.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-21768124657700443622018-04-17T00:56:20.078-07:002018-04-17T00:56:20.078-07:00http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5617799/Ro...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5617799/Royal-Navy-submarine-hunted-Russia-cat-mouse-pursuit.html<br /><br />Well, that may be an answer why British used Tornados instead of TomahawksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-75522695714606186142018-04-16T19:27:42.159-07:002018-04-16T19:27:42.159-07:00You might have missed my first post, but on cnn Sa...You might have missed my first post, but on cnn Saturday morning they were reporting 150 miles for the aircraft. <br />Andrew s.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-31063023961179411932018-04-16T11:02:31.517-07:002018-04-16T11:02:31.517-07:00http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5131781
That just got...http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5131781<br /><br />That just got out, ( use google translate ) <br /><br />So basically the russians claim all the types of SAM's in SAA inventory fired over 100 missiles, and got a high success rate ;?Storm Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999164214935172607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-88097423228294452772018-04-16T08:38:44.793-07:002018-04-16T08:38:44.793-07:00"to make a token contribution in support of t..."to make a token contribution in support of the US did not need any more than was deployed."<br /><br />I have no details on how the UK portion was carried out so this is pure speculation ...<br /><br />An aircraft strike, especially if there was any reason to believe it would be opposed - and there certainly was, in this case - would require tanking and electronic warfare support as well as combat search and rescue units standing by. Did the UK have these supporting units? I don't know but I highly doubt it. I don't think they even have tankers, EW, or CSAR assets - maybe I'm wrong? I strongly suspect that those elements were supplied by the US. In other words, the UK was likely incapable of executing their portion without assistance and, if true, is a scathing reflection on their military capability.<br /><br />Do you have any information on this?ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-40612846193032761372018-04-16T08:25:34.905-07:002018-04-16T08:25:34.905-07:00"if there weren't "57 TLAMs and 19 J..."if there weren't "57 TLAMs and 19 JASSMs" which hit"<br /><br />I'm deleting all further comments of this nature unless you have a point to make - if so, make it. You're not furthering the discussion.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-20703939916618593032018-04-16T02:45:35.232-07:002018-04-16T02:45:35.232-07:00I would hope that the President was offered many p...I would hope that the President was offered many plans covering a wide range of options. That's what advisers are supposed to do.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-58849190033645705092018-04-16T02:17:07.108-07:002018-04-16T02:17:07.108-07:00Equally believable? You don't feel confident e...Equally believable? You don't feel confident enough to go 60/40 or 90/10 on that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-70156250116270319432018-04-16T00:50:36.083-07:002018-04-16T00:50:36.083-07:00the Russians may have used they're ground base... the Russians may have used they're ground based Electronic Warfare capabilities. Storm Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999164214935172607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-9375126433347684582018-04-16T00:47:39.196-07:002018-04-16T00:47:39.196-07:00Who offered that plan, Bolton ??Who offered that plan, Bolton ??Storm Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999164214935172607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-24503890168729275752018-04-15T22:33:59.676-07:002018-04-15T22:33:59.676-07:00Fox News reported that Trump was offered a plan to...Fox News reported that Trump was offered a plan to take out Russia's air defenses in Syria. An attack that would have been much larger and with the potential to start an all out war between the US and Russia. No happy ending in that scenario.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-81957252845651017132018-04-15T22:13:22.672-07:002018-04-15T22:13:22.672-07:00is this what's happened:
https://1.bp.blogspot...is this what's happened:<br />https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FybtMd68Cfk/WtMWwMNB7TI/AAAAAAAAaSc/vfGo7Gm4vcwi-vXCcb4eBhXsBTC9EmLaQCLcBGAs/s400/siria%2Bataque%2BEEUU%2Bbrit%25C3%25A1nico%2Bfranc%25C3%25A9s%2B2018-4-14%2Bzonas%2Bblancos%2B1b.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-52076019767046224542018-04-15T15:57:23.698-07:002018-04-15T15:57:23.698-07:00Remember they were attacking bunkers, TLAMs have u...Remember they were attacking bunkers, TLAMs have unitary warheads. 2-3 TLAM have been targeted per bunker, 1st to blow a hole in the bunker, follow ons to destroy the interior of the bunker. Storm Shadows have tandem warheads for bunker busting.scottghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14096280411006769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-26146184116305236422018-04-15T14:02:45.034-07:002018-04-15T14:02:45.034-07:00"this thing has False Flag totally written al..."this thing has False Flag totally written all over it."<br /><br />It's certainly possible. On the other hand, Syria had chemical weapons, is believed to have used them multiple times in the past, and has an insane maniac for a leader so it's equally believable that Syria did, in fact, execute a chemical attack. ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-27945323005440896412018-04-15T13:58:25.927-07:002018-04-15T13:58:25.927-07:00Well, that's an interesting thought. I'll...Well, that's an interesting thought. I'll give you that. However, two things:<br /><br />1. That assumes that the missiles WERE overkill. One of the theories is that that many were used to incinerate any released chemicals. <br /><br />2. I don't think any serious observer thought the Russians would attack us in any way. I didn't! The Russians are certainly prone to bluster but the cold reality is that simply don't have the military force to take on the US - not even close and certainly not in that region.<br /><br />So, I really don't think Russian threats influenced our weapon numbers.<br /><br />Now that the Russians have threatened to attack us and didn't, future bluffs will be recognized as such and any influence they might have had on our weapon numbers won't happen again because no one will believe them again.<br /><br />That's the problem with bluffing. Once it's clear that you won't follow through, you lose all future credibility. The US suffered from this throughout the Obama administration where we issued threats and warnings but never followed through. China and Russia recognized that and ignored us. Trump may or may not be changing that - a bit too early to tell, yet.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-13000056293171102502018-04-15T12:51:24.709-07:002018-04-15T12:51:24.709-07:00....managed to force the USA to overshoot or overf.......managed to force the USA to overshoot or overfire that many missiles.NICOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567491909555759918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-60034559497697194892018-04-15T12:50:17.441-07:002018-04-15T12:50:17.441-07:00As far as I know, this hasn't been said and c...As far as I know, this hasn't been said and could have major long term implications. Everybody is assuming Russians would shoot down US cruise missiles, even USA military if you assume we fired over 100 CM to destroy 3 targets.....anybody wonder or worry that Russia got inside our decision making? What if Russia NEVER intended to shoot down our CMs?!? We overshoot by a serious multiple!!!! Some would argue USA has plenty of missiles and bombs BUT lets say this was some of country/war and not just 3 targets, could we have afforded to overshoot this badly?!? I find it disturbing that a couple Russian officials maNICOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567491909555759918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-19692768079366331002018-04-15T11:27:06.689-07:002018-04-15T11:27:06.689-07:00"stated the JASSM-ER was the variant used.&qu..."stated the JASSM-ER was the variant used."<br /><br />Thanks for that!<br /><br />I wonder what reporter had enough knowledge to ask that question? That's some exceedingly rare competency from a reporter!<br /><br />Now, did anyone ask about launch distance?ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-29535248401359366352018-04-15T10:42:30.846-07:002018-04-15T10:42:30.846-07:00ComNavOps,
In the Pentagon's press conference...ComNavOps,<br /><br />In the Pentagon's press conference yesterday morning the question was asked by a reporter if the JASSM or JASSM-ER was used and it was stated the JASSM-ER was the variant used.DogoodPatriotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-67923719153660482702018-04-15T10:38:22.874-07:002018-04-15T10:38:22.874-07:00Why would that make a difference? The attack has n...Why would that make a difference? The attack has no significant impact on the conflict at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-51877539418591000122018-04-15T10:24:31.484-07:002018-04-15T10:24:31.484-07:00Oh, C'mon this thing has False Flag totally wr...Oh, C'mon this thing has False Flag totally written all over it.<br /><br /> The Loyalist capture one of the last strongholds of anti regime forces successfully with conventional weapons <br /><br /> The Donald announces a pull out of Syria<br /><br /> Assad/Russia/Iran have almost won on all fronts <br /><br />And all of the sudden BOOM chemical gas usage . . <br /><br /> Think people think ;) <br /><br />Storm Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999164214935172607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-7888819248096864462018-04-15T09:51:53.277-07:002018-04-15T09:51:53.277-07:00if there weren't "57 TLAMs and 19 JASSMs&...if there weren't "57 TLAMs and 19 JASSMs" which hitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com