tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post3609824664089717445..comments2024-03-28T07:56:09.239-07:00Comments on Navy Matters: Torpedoes - Then and NowComNavOpshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-70513213803796569792018-04-06T17:38:57.510-07:002018-04-06T17:38:57.510-07:00It all depends how well the system works. The fir...It all depends how well the system works. The first air to air missiles were, theoretically, game changers except for the fact that they didn't work. Now, many years later, they are more effective. History suggests that the system will not work well for quite some time yet!ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-63476000239526329322018-04-06T15:41:42.739-07:002018-04-06T15:41:42.739-07:00Doesn't the new anti torpedo weapons the US is...Doesn't the new anti torpedo weapons the US is fielding. Kinda changes the game a bit.<br /><br />http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/5543/the-navy-is-quietly-arming-its-supercarriers-with-anti-torpedo-torpedoesJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08074400411280663565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-39548826365480702792018-04-05T09:14:46.270-07:002018-04-05T09:14:46.270-07:00Andrew, comments can be freely made after 30 days,...Andrew, comments can be freely made after 30 days, they just need to be moderated before posting. All that means is that I take a glance at them to be sure they aren't spam. I had been getting a lot of attempts to insert spam into older posts. Moderating seems to have completely stopped it. So, comment freely and just recognize that there will be a slight delay before it appears.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-36709348747785908272018-04-05T08:40:36.947-07:002018-04-05T08:40:36.947-07:00Thank you ats. I have some books covering effects ...Thank you ats. I have some books covering effects of explosives, particularly in regards to water. Unfortunately, I've become rather busy since I said I would dig into this. I'm hoping to be able to post my findings here before the 30 day cutoff. Andrew s.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-24428149633621274992018-04-02T03:09:35.343-07:002018-04-02T03:09:35.343-07:00Well, there was the S-3 Viking for ASW, of course....Well, there was the S-3 Viking for ASW, of course. For ASuW, I guess cruise missiles are considered to be superior.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-32887383615674453342018-04-01T22:22:55.991-07:002018-04-01T22:22:55.991-07:00I was wondering, why don't modern fast jets ca...I was wondering, why don't modern fast jets carry any torpedoes?<br />It would seem useful in certain scenarios. Storm Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999164214935172607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-42065175281929448372018-04-01T18:38:25.506-07:002018-04-01T18:38:25.506-07:00Wake homing torpedoes are not susceptible to Nixie...Wake homing torpedoes are not susceptible to Nixie which is an acoustic decoy. This is what has spurred the U.S. to develop the anti-torpedo torpedo system which has been installed on the carriers even though it is not yet fully developed - so, it is in service.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-37678380316733639672018-04-01T11:45:10.425-07:002018-04-01T11:45:10.425-07:00Assuming their quality control is alright, surely ...Assuming their quality control is alright, surely a wake-homing torpedo like the Russian one you cited would not be drawn off by a system like Nixie and would have a much higher hit rate than either a WW2 torpedo or a conventional homing torpedo. The USN is developing the Countermeasure Anti-Torpedo to counteract such a weapon, but I don't believe it is in service yet. Chris Bradshawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-39091573001818404342018-04-01T10:25:29.859-07:002018-04-01T10:25:29.859-07:00All, the ones i know and you probably are non-guid...All, the ones i know and you probably are non-guided mostly old designs. However i rudimentary contact fuze would seem logical as a fall back. Storm Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999164214935172607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-71249967296247620042018-04-01T09:04:48.147-07:002018-04-01T09:04:48.147-07:00The RN used a lightweight torpedo against a moored...The RN used a lightweight torpedo against a moored submerged Porpoise class SSK (predecessor to the Oberon). They were going to raise the wreck but decided that it was not worth the effort - such was the damage.Dave Wolfyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05161028886307241207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-40886867432473093622018-04-01T09:00:25.238-07:002018-04-01T09:00:25.238-07:00It would seem that speed increases the likelihood ...It would seem that speed increases the likelihood of a hit, not the destructiveness.Dave Wolfyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05161028886307241207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-86185480255561589802018-04-01T08:42:06.441-07:002018-04-01T08:42:06.441-07:00Off the top of my head, I'm not aware of any t...Off the top of my head, I'm not aware of any torpedo whose primary fuzing is contact. Do you know of one?ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-21645520370613622282018-04-01T08:40:46.182-07:002018-04-01T08:40:46.182-07:00Interesting question. I have no idea. I've n...Interesting question. I have no idea. I've never heard of it but it would certainly be simple enough to do.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-58187634426229254322018-03-31T21:39:51.758-07:002018-03-31T21:39:51.758-07:00Ha ?! The Germans demonstrate a torpedo with modul...Ha ?! The Germans demonstrate a torpedo with modular batteries witch they claim has a range of around 140 km, how that is gonna be guided i don't know. <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=111&v=TYvt3tU2yqUStorm Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999164214935172607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-13481733562934338882018-03-31T21:27:58.461-07:002018-03-31T21:27:58.461-07:00"Given that most torpedoes today are designed..."Given that most torpedoes today are designed to explode under the ship, rather than in contact with it,"<br /><br />And what about shaped charged torpedo warheads that basically act like a anti - tank rocket ? Storm Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999164214935172607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-12671612266520601882018-03-31T21:23:25.607-07:002018-03-31T21:23:25.607-07:00"unguided torpedo won't be decoyed so iro..."unguided torpedo won't be decoyed so ironically a modern western warship"<br /><br />Witch brings me to the question, do modern torpedoes have a mode in witch they can be essentially fired unguided ?<br /><br />Like after launch they only move forward, just like a unguided torpedo. <br />Storm Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999164214935172607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-31897934879166484212018-03-31T19:24:58.608-07:002018-03-31T19:24:58.608-07:00"Interstingly, the reason he didn't use h..."Interstingly, the reason he didn't use his Tigerfish homing torpedos was because they weren't considered reliable."<br /><br />Good reminder!ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-21390530469504925582018-03-31T19:24:11.139-07:002018-03-31T19:24:11.139-07:00Every weapon! You never know what will come in ha...Every weapon! You never know what will come in handy. Actually, there aren't that many anti-sub weapons in the U.S. Navy, sadly.<br /><br />The light weight (and only marginally effective) torpedo and ASROC (also a torpedo) are the only ship mounted anti-sub weapons we have.<br /><br />We desperately need a Russian RBU type weapon.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-53491538507338890102018-03-31T15:16:56.680-07:002018-03-31T15:16:56.680-07:00Thanks!
In your opinion, what kind of ASW weapon...Thanks! <br /><br />In your opinion, what kind of ASW weapon should be carried by small surface escorts (frigates, corvettes)?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01979032935712660177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-68351128249610987482018-03-31T15:07:57.268-07:002018-03-31T15:07:57.268-07:00Interstingly, the reason he didn't use his Tig...Interstingly, the reason he didn't use his Tigerfish homing torpedos was because they weren't considered reliable. They'd failed multiple tests, and weren't fixed properly till post-falklands.<br /> <br />Wiki has a reasonable summary.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigerfish_(torpedo)Deptfordxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12075948711015675524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-39050691724508097872018-03-31T14:04:17.347-07:002018-03-31T14:04:17.347-07:00Nobody outside the Navy (and maybe not within!) ha...Nobody outside the Navy (and maybe not within!) has any idea about the effectiveness but supposedly they were nothing more than an annoyance for the old double hulled, titanium, Russian subs. Presumably, they'd be a bit more of a threat to smaller, thinner-skinned SSKs.<br /><br />Now, as far as effectiveness in shallow water, they are questionable. The Mk54 was the subject of an Urgent Operational Need Statement (UONS) which cited deficiencies in shallow water, anti-SSK use. The subsequent upgrade effort was severely criticized by DOT&E after poor testing performances. <br /><br />I don't know what the current status is.<br /><br />I would evaluate the light weight torpedoes as marginally effective. Again, this makes the Navy's refusal to obtain a true SSK for testing all the more baffling.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-27067066914280367492018-03-31T13:48:10.820-07:002018-03-31T13:48:10.820-07:00CNO, could you discuss the effectiveness of light ...CNO, could you discuss the effectiveness of light weight ASW torpedoes (Mk-46, Mk-54, etc.) They are the only ASW weapons carried by surface ships today and, as far as I know, they haven’t been used in combat.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01979032935712660177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-67439004717522972912018-03-31T05:16:24.710-07:002018-03-31T05:16:24.710-07:00You're quite right that the overall system (su...You're quite right that the overall system (sub + torpedo) lethality has increased because the submarine capabilities have increased so much but that wasn't the point of the post. The post was specifically intended to counter the claim that modern torpedoes are more lethal than their WWII counterparts.<br /><br />Of course, while the capabilities of subs have increased, so to has the ASW with many capabilities undreamed of in WWII! ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-878824502156172852018-03-30T21:33:21.645-07:002018-03-30T21:33:21.645-07:00The main issue here is that the the users of moder...The main issue here is that the the users of modern torpedoes - submarines have become drastically more lethal as a combined weapons system. i think even in a conventional scenario without the use on nukes, near peer submarine warfare with China is kinda equaled to the definition of M.A.D Storm Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999164214935172607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-54858875352130385212018-03-30T21:06:16.013-07:002018-03-30T21:06:16.013-07:00Brian Clark does not think that Russia's nucle...Brian Clark does not think that Russia's nuclear armed torpedo is effective right now..<br />http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/just-how-much-threat-russias-status-6-nuclear-torpedo-24094<br />Paul<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com