tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post79618453152217311..comments2024-03-28T07:56:09.239-07:00Comments on Navy Matters: SW/ASW LessonsComNavOpshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-92015786087620699462014-03-18T05:29:49.584-07:002014-03-18T05:29:49.584-07:00GAB, I intentionally ignored reports of subs penet...GAB, I intentionally ignored reports of subs penetrating defenses during training exercises. While a sub penetrating a carrier's screen in an exercise gets attention, what we don't know is how many times they failed. Absent total records of training results, I can't draw any valid conclusions. In addition, training is often set up to try out various tactics and the scenarios are frequently set up to artificially favor one side or the other. Likewise, with the example of the Soviet sub photo of the carrier, how many Soviet sub attempts failed? I considered the Chinese example only because the Chinese sub is considered so inferior that it should have been an "easy" detection and thus tells us something about Navy ASW.<br /><br />I'm not familiar with the Victor/Kitty Hawk incident. I'll have to look into that one. Thanks!<br /><br />Your third point about conducting an ASW campaign is spot on. One can't help but wonder why we aren't devoting more effort to mining of enemy ports. For example, the AF is not going to be able to mine Chinese ports across a thousand mile A2/AD zone. We need a clandestine mining capability (submarine?).ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-43080650358001066342014-03-18T05:11:25.088-07:002014-03-18T05:11:25.088-07:00CNO,
Observations:
1) The key unclassified “take...CNO,<br /><br />Observations:<br /><br />1) The key unclassified “take aways” from the Falkland’s war: “San Luis was free to patrol and this caused the British task force to be on the defensive at all times. The British expended most of their ordnance on suspected contacts, most of which were false contacts caused by the ocean's many anomalies.”<br /><br />2) Notable public examples of submarines penetrating the protective screen of warships:<br />- 2006 USS Dallas versus HMS Illustrious during a naval exercise in the Gulf of Oman.<br />- 2006 Chinese Song-class versus USS Kitty Hawkin the Sea of Japan <br />- 1984 Soviet Victor-class submarine versus USS Kitty Hawk in the Korean Peninsula (the carrier actually collided with the sub).<br />- 2007 Canadian HMCS Corner Brook versus HMS Illustrious in the Atlantic.<br />-1974 unidentified Soviet SSN photographing the “USS Nimitz” (the photo was of a real USN carrier, but the Nimitz was in the yards at the time).<br /><br />3) The best way to conduct an ASW campaign is to first sink as many in port as possible, then to destroy or mine the harbors that support the submarines, then to destroy the repair and logistics ships (even SSNs have to replenish torpedoes, and take on food and spare parts), and lastly to hunt down individual submarines.<br /><br />GAB<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-80221057702026335312014-03-17T18:50:07.108-07:002014-03-17T18:50:07.108-07:00I was a lookout on a Knox class frigate in the Chi...I was a lookout on a Knox class frigate in the China Sea in 1990, all sonar and cic gear was going, didn't recognize it at first, but it was a camo sub riding the surface like he was playing with us, none of that asw gear picked him up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com