tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post7952124098253802563..comments2024-03-28T07:56:09.239-07:00Comments on Navy Matters: Navy Accepts Incomplete and Damaged FordComNavOpshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-253772510817998162017-06-09T13:20:10.199-07:002017-06-09T13:20:10.199-07:00Leesea, now that the Navy has accepted the ship fr...Leesea, now that the Navy has accepted the ship from HII, then: 1) Who has overall authority for managing the ship's current configuration; and 2) Who actually performs the day-to-day busy work of managing and coordinating the work needed either to fix deficiencies or else to make other modifications to the ship which may or may not involve deficiency resolution items and/or ship completion punch list items? Scott Brimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-17866223798185047172017-06-08T04:46:44.831-07:002017-06-08T04:46:44.831-07:00leesea, how do you rationalize three hundred incom...leesea, how do you rationalize three hundred incomplete compartments in your notion of acceptance? ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-72254685045993364962017-06-07T20:44:02.395-07:002017-06-07T20:44:02.395-07:00Well gents there are a few things you need to know...Well gents there are a few things you need to know about "ship delivery". First off Conditional Acceptance as noted on the DD254 is Normal. That means the USN has the ship EXCEPT for all the drficienies and discrepancies noted on the attached documents. <br />Second it makes much more sense to take a conditional acceptance and move the ship off the building ways etc. I would presume a Lot of GFE and other sub-contractors are tied up in the systems which weren't working. So no contracting officer is going to hold the shipbuilder up because of work the govt. is responsible for.<br /><br />OTOH the main generators are probably a NNS sub, so those are up to the prime to fix. IF the generators are being built elsewhere, it would make sense to install later during a fitting out availability or the like.leeseahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17298885912449392794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-10098171427342390832017-06-06T08:38:15.408-07:002017-06-06T08:38:15.408-07:00"Navy all but accepted the ship when they sig..."Navy all but accepted the ship when they signed the contract."<br /><br />You're probably right, at least to an extent. Certainly, the govt/Navy is responsible for the GFE but HII is responsible for the unfinished compartments and the like. <br /><br />I also don't know who's responsible for the function of the EMALS, AAG, DBR, etc. Presumably it's not HII but I don't know. <br /><br />So, yes and no regarding the idea of forgone acceptance. The Navy should not accept the ship until every item that HII is responsible for is complete. Then, the Navy can accept the ship and deal with the parts the Navy is responsible for.<br /><br />Your comment also brings up a very interesting point in that the Navy is sort of the contractor and sort of not, as you suggest. The Navy needs to either be the contractor or not. This kind of, kind of not, is not working.<br /><br />Good comment.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-21232160656186662702017-06-06T07:16:47.533-07:002017-06-06T07:16:47.533-07:00I usually take war is boring with a grain of salt,...I usually take war is boring with a grain of salt, but this article is damning. It has a lot of what CNO says and a touch more. <br /><br />https://warisboring.com/how-not-to-build-an-aircraft-carrier/<br /><br />JFWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095723023404412328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-73900329047333974582017-06-06T04:23:02.516-07:002017-06-06T04:23:02.516-07:00CNO, the problem is that they Navy all but accepte...CNO, the problem is that they Navy all but accepted the ship when they signed the contract. As you have stated yourself, HII is nothing but a sub-contractor to the USN. Who's is the Navy actually accepting the ship from? I'd argue that the Navy is accepting the ship from the Navy in a purely for show ceremony. AKA, they Navy couldn't not accept since they already owned it. atshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11410880091736531848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-86482530285728013822017-06-05T20:29:12.441-07:002017-06-05T20:29:12.441-07:00Sadly, I fear it will. I'm just dreading the s...Sadly, I fear it will. I'm just dreading the shock trails ... Andrew s.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-75415230052384685512017-06-05T19:45:07.703-07:002017-06-05T19:45:07.703-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.JFWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095723023404412328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-76567858949191276832017-06-05T14:35:24.071-07:002017-06-05T14:35:24.071-07:00EMALS promised smoother launches, and still states...EMALS promised smoother launches, and still states that. So I threw a BS flag when this was announced:<br /><br />EMALS – cannot safely launch Hornets and Growlers with wing mounted external fuel tanks;<br /><br />The excuse was that the launch stresses the attachment points. With a smoother launch?<br /><br />I think EMALS is unable to launch a fully loaded Hornet with extra fuel and bombs. It lacks the power! Ask what the heaviest load EMALS has demonstrated ashore to learn the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-44419555275620226662017-06-05T10:51:09.059-07:002017-06-05T10:51:09.059-07:00If it was never shielded I wonder if it might inte...If it was never shielded I wonder if it might interfere with coms as well. <br /><br />*sigh*. <br /><br />In the age of missiles that can be tweaked to home in on certain types of emissions the Ford is going to be like a Christmas tree in a dark room. JFWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095723023404412328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-24015362796359836052017-06-05T08:26:36.729-07:002017-06-05T08:26:36.729-07:00EMALS has other problems, as well. As you know, t...EMALS has other problems, as well. As you know, the catapult is a series of immensely powerful electric motors. Unbelievably, there was no electromagnetic shielding built in. Thus, the motors radiate immense electromagnetic radiation. They are, essentially, giant beacons to any enemy that cares to listen. Remember the old EMCON (emissions control - zero emissions) procedures? All electrical equipment had a shielded mode, to put simplistically. EMALS, despite being a huge electrical radiation source, has no shielding. Ford will be the most easily trackable ship in the Navy!<br /><br />I get the impression that EMALS was a science fair project. The developers were only concerned with the technical task of hurling an object down a track. They gave no thought to repairability, damage control, combat considerations, etc. I can understand that from a bunch of scientists but why the Navy didn't step in and insist on these things early on, I have no idea. Just more of the never-ending baffling actions, or lack thereof, by a seemingly utterly incompetent Navy leadership.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-12796727477210411482017-06-05T07:24:49.967-07:002017-06-05T07:24:49.967-07:00So, in a hypothetical war scenario, if you damage ...So, in a hypothetical war scenario, if you damage 1 catapult, you have to shut them ALL DOWN?!? Am I reading this right? Who the hell let that design go thru?!? NICOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567491909555759918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-67495245432371589602017-06-05T07:14:52.774-07:002017-06-05T07:14:52.774-07:00It means that they can't continue flight ops w...It means that they can't continue flight ops while making repairs on one cat. The entire catapult electrical system has to be shut down. How far reaching that shutdown is, I don't know. DOT&E has described it in a fair amount of detail.<br /><br />How someone at the design stage didn't notice this is beyond me.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-33368245460845018782017-06-05T06:06:54.425-07:002017-06-05T06:06:54.425-07:00Navy acquisition is just broken. We make the old S...Navy acquisition is just broken. We make the old Soviets who accepted tanks with faulty autoloaders look good. <br /><br />We have the Navy playing political games because it allows the admirals to advance; allows the navy to continue getting the valued budget slice, and allows the Congress critters to look good by bringing home the bacon and 'standing up for defense. I've said it before, this is a national security issue. We likely have a looming budget crisis where more and more money will be taken up making direct payments to SSI and the debt, so the armed forces budget slices will likely get smaller. <br /><br />We either get a handle on this or end up having a Japan sized fleet for 3X the price. Or worse, a large fleet of showboats. <br /><br />"EMALS system cannot be electrically isolated for repairs"<br /><br />What does this mean in practice? They have to shut down the reactors to service emals? I mean.... what about trying to repair battle damage? Or just that one 'quirk' that might be easily fixed but you have to shut down large chunks of the ship to do it? JFWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095723023404412328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-75203296751973260092017-06-05T05:51:41.054-07:002017-06-05T05:51:41.054-07:00QE class will do this for a fraction of the cost.QE class will do this for a fraction of the cost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-80510717785593124542017-06-05T05:33:01.372-07:002017-06-05T05:33:01.372-07:00Fair enough I described the symptom because I have...Fair enough I described the symptom because I have already identified the root cause - Careerism.<br /><br />We are selecting people for higher positions that are only focused on their Career and not accomplishments for the higher organizations or greater good. <br /><br />By extension only people that focus exclusively on their self interest are capable of this world view. So the go along to get along, don't rock the boat, look at what I can get later are the results.<br /><br />Now the solution is VERY hard and I frankly don't have a good idea. But I know we need to promote people that live, don't just act, for the greater good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-48993563668124346042017-06-05T04:58:58.532-07:002017-06-05T04:58:58.532-07:00looks like a decent platform for AH-64s, SH-60s, V...looks like a decent platform for AH-64s, SH-60s, V-22s and a coupla F-35Bs. You don't need no stinkin EMALS and AAG.<br />As Frito used to say "if you can't hover you're queer".<br /><br />Nothing will come of this disaster other than Legion of Merit pointy medal awards for all.Gman79noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-46030582083317474292017-06-05T04:03:05.461-07:002017-06-05T04:03:05.461-07:00GAO - Testimony before the Committee on Armed Ser...GAO - Testimony before the Committee on Armed Services, U.S. Senate, (McCain), FORD CLASS AIRCRAFT CARRIER Poor Outcomes Are the Predictable Consequences of the Prevalent Acquisition Culture.<br />Statement of Paul L. Francis, Managing Director Acquisition and Sourcing Management; accessible version released October 1, 2015.<br /><br />Table 2: CVN 78 Planned vs. Actual Ship Construction Costs (2007-2015) p. 6<br /><br />2007 - Fully constructed ship at delivery<br />2015 - Incomplete ship at delivery Work to be completed post-delivery: <br />· 367 compartments <br />· Correction of certain deficiencies <br />· Installation of mission-oriented systems <br /><br />The devil is in the detail, legalize small print get out of jail cards provided by Congress to Navy giving them carte blanche for nearly unlimited spend outside cost cap, note exclusions to cost cap below # 4, 5, 6 & 7. Giving Navy wide latitude to allocate any spend to these items, makes the cost cap meaningless as actual spend against these items will not be reported. <br /><br />That is why despite Ford's many problems, MTGs exploding etc., and recent additional year plus delay since latest 2013 cost cap fixed with attendant additional costs the Navy spokesperson has confidently stated Ford has not exceeded $12.9 billion then year dollar cost cap.<br /><br />Notes p.2 cost cap exclusions<br />The 2007 legislation allowed the Navy to make adjustments to the cost cap without seeking additional statutory authority due to: <br />1) cost changes due to economic inflation; <br />2) costs attributable to compliance with changes in federal, state, or local laws; 3) outfitting and post-delivery costs; <br />4) cost changes related to the insertion of new technologies; <br />5) cost changes due to nonrecurring design and engineering; <br />6) costs associated with the correction of deficiencies that would affect the safety of the ship and personnel or otherwise preclude safe ship operation and crew certification. <br />7)The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2014 expanded this list to include changes due to urgent and unforeseen requirements identified during shipboard testing. Pub. L. No. 113-66, § 121 (2013).<br /><br /><br />GAO-16-84T <br />http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/673632.pdfNickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12567148391327455726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-50532381691889008502017-06-04T19:26:14.858-07:002017-06-04T19:26:14.858-07:00"a ship that will not go into harms way"..."a ship that will not go into harms way"<br /><br />Sadly, I fear you're correct.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-62922514889894325872017-06-04T18:54:30.877-07:002017-06-04T18:54:30.877-07:00EMALS/AAG like drones, because of theshiny toy fas...EMALS/AAG like drones, because of theshiny toy fascination. Big time development items chosen for insertion too early...bad decisions made during a war being waged against beards crazies because the wow factor and R&M fantasies was too bright a shiny object....b2https://www.blogger.com/profile/15226134584713824427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-23133207959720694502017-06-04T18:50:40.756-07:002017-06-04T18:50:40.756-07:00That's what I've been thinking too, $20 bi...That's what I've been thinking too, $20 billion and not sure it works, why do I have a feeling Ford will be a "dock queen"...play on :"hangar queen"...NICOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567491909555759918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-60492139253591939562017-06-04T18:18:36.737-07:002017-06-04T18:18:36.737-07:00The retirement jobs is one of those easy targets t...The retirement jobs is one of those easy targets to blame. Certainly, it's a bad practice and undoubtedly contributes to some degree to poor decisions but I really don't believe that it's a primary cause of the Navy's consistent poor decisions. For one thing, there are hundreds of retired Admirals and there just aren't that many of them on defense industry boards that are directly connected with shipbuilding. For another thing, the Navy makes consistently bad decisions about ... well ... everything! Many of those bad decisions have little or nothing to do with retirement jobs. Things like minimal manning, the LCS conceptual design, concurrent design/construction, uniform changes, allowing MCM and ASW to atrophy, and so on, have little to do with post-retirement jobs. If retirement jobs were actually a major factor, the Navy ought to be making pretty good decisions about everything that isn't directly shipbuilding related and, yet, that's not the case.<br /><br />We need to think harder and dig deeper about Navy decision making rather than take the easy path and chalk it all up to retirement jobs. That said, it's an abhorrent practice that needs to be stopped. <br /><br />It's an easy factor to blame because the practice is a blatant conflict of interest and it's indefensible but it isn't the main problem. There is some other problem that I have yet to identify.ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-7981298170398990062017-06-04T16:40:09.595-07:002017-06-04T16:40:09.595-07:00No I got point perfectly. What you are missing is ...No I got point perfectly. What you are missing is the reason why the Navy brass refuse to make decisions that are good for the Navy but bad for the Contractors. A large part of it is cushy high paying jobs they get if the go along and play ball with the previous generations of retired flag officers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-25032277531803118772017-06-04T16:34:49.653-07:002017-06-04T16:34:49.653-07:00All this drama over a ship that will not go into h...All this drama over a ship that will not go into harms way because it is too expensive in blood and treasure.....MudMarinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969168071793858858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5579907756656776056.post-69999888457249417972017-06-04T10:32:59.003-07:002017-06-04T10:32:59.003-07:00"367 compartments not completed"
Where ..."367 compartments not completed"<br /><br />Where did you get that? I know there's a LOT more incompleteness than I've outlined but I've been unable to get a more detailed listing. What's your source?ComNavOpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09669644332369727431noreply@blogger.com